Hi, I introduced myself as Michael.... so why did you call me Mike?

yeah,,'n bridges,,yeah, bridges too,,

 

I'd say obvious by definition is self evident rather then universally accepted, such as the earth being a sphere is obvious...

 

Ahem :toetap05:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LztZu5s0-QU




Hotwater

 

With the right design ideas, those small bridges can be quite comfortable for economy apartments.

 

Well, trolls tend to have unrealistic hopes rather then the right design ideas

 

dunno,,

"obvious" tends to imply an audience, rather than merely an existence.

stating the "obvious" also assumes that there is an audience that is capable of perceiving the fact, which fact may or may not be evident, depending upon the perceiving faculty of the observer being intact. Helen Keller, for example, could not necessarily accept as "obvious" something that many of us could.

Hmmmsies,,

 

You speak sense. I bow to your superior reasoning skills.

 

I do not understand the Helen Keller reference and i am not convinced your definition is superior to mine.

 

you have made me incredibly happy :willy_nilly::hurray:

 

I'm with you on this.

Rather a humble abode, with a friend, than a palatial mansion filled only with echoes of one's loneliness.

I need to write a poem,,

"Ode to the Lonely Troll",,

Trolls are traditionally lonely beasts, are they not?

 

Sad story
Write the poem and tears shall flow.

 

I'm not aiming for "superior". I'm investigating as we proceed,,maybe "out loud", but investigating nevertheless. Probing, assaying, internally weighing,,

I know there's a word for it. It escapes me at the moment.

But whatever the case, the word "obvious", I do believe, implies a subject who can perceive that which both exists, and is plainly discernable. In that sense, it is not simply a pre-existing fact, but also can be seen, heard, tasted, etc., and further, may be sensed by an assumed predominance of the population. But even then, because of cultural differences, which affect the outcome, what is obvious to some may or may not be obvious to others, due to clouding.

Hellen Keller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller

 

For A Second There I Thought I Had Stumbled Into The "Emo Lounge"

Please Tell Me It Isn't So....



Cheers Glen.

 

"EMO LOUNGE"

Didn't you see the sign?

 

Sure for something to be obvious, that "obviousness" needs to be percieved, it is indeed a word related to perception, but rather then something being obvious because there is a consensus that it is obvious, I believe that something is obvious because it is self evident.

I think perhaps this might be quite an interesting conversation in person, but i have no more reason to continue here and now, in this format.:cheers2:

 

I can't decide which to do first. Put on heavy eyeliner or shallowly cut my wrists and take pictures to post on here? My life is so fucking complicated. My asshole parents hate me. As they well should.

 

Put on heavy eyeliner, that can be sexy in it's own way.

 

That's quite allright. I'll continue it for the both of us, since the "obvious" requires no consensus,,hehe,,

It is "obvious" to me, only because I've thought about it quite a bit, that differing cultures see things differently, and therefore what may be "obvious" to one set of peeps isn't necessarily "obvious" to another set of peeps.

That's why I handed you the extreme case of "Hellen Keller", who was deaf and blind, and to whom some things weren't necessarily "obvious", though they existed. Cultural issues sometimes also cloud the "obvious", though it is not a willful denial, but simply the effect of one's upbringing. Until those cultural shades are exposed or for some reason abandoned, one may not have a clear view to observe the otherwise "obvious" fact.

Hooowahhhh,,,

Now,,for our next presentation,,,let us turn in our hymnals to page 333, and raise our voices in thrilling exultation, to the tune of "Let's Spend the Night Together", by the Rolling Stones.

 

Well i have to admit i am inclined to continue but the problem is if i enjoy it too much, it will be hard to drop this conversation as life will require me to.

But i think those cultural differences are based upon knowledge base, some things are only obvious, that is self evident, with the right knowledge base and thus my definition i still think 'hold water'. those different cultures with the right knowledge base would then be able to perceive a phenomena as obvious equally as any other culture that shares the same knowledge base.

P.S.
I guess i am arguing for a "superior definition" not for any personal ego boost, but rather in the form of scientific method. In this conversation it is not enough for one of us to prove our definition is workable but rather more useful then the other, for fun of course