Erin Andrews and spy cams

Discussion in 'Feel Good Feminism' started by caliente, Jul 25, 2009.

  1. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    In case you're not familiar with her, Erin Andrews is a sideline sports reporter for ESPN. She's a cool and competent reporter ... she also happens to be gorgeous (like they're going to hire a female sportscaster who isn't, but that's another story).

    A week or so ago, some scumbag, apparently an employee at the hotel, shot video of her as she was changing clothes in her hotel room, using a previously-created peephole in the door to her room. He then posted the video on the internet.

    She has decided to face the issue head-on, and has said that she will press charges to the fullest. ESPN and the hotel have said they will join in her case to support her.

    Having once been the victim of a "spy cam" myself, I say "go for it, lady!" Hopefully, this will bring more public awareness of this disgusting crime.

    Ladies, anytime you use a public restroom, there's a fairly good possibility that someone has stashed a spy cam in the room and is videotaping you. I've heard of this happening in company offices as well as places like theatres and public parks. I've even heard of a IT tech being arrested from installing spy cams under women's desks where he worked. The cams have also been found in changing rooms in clothing stores.

    It's difficult to tell if there's a spy cam installed in any particular room, but at least you can be aware of the problem. Maybe if the issue gets more publicity, there will be more effort put into examining public restrooms and changing rooms for cams and removing them.
     
  2. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    Meh. The video's really grainy.
     
  3. TheGrayRaven

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    The craziest thing I saw was a female reporter speaking and saying that she brought it upon herself because of how she acts as a news reporter. I don't remember this reporter's name however...
     
  4. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    I yeah I heard about and seen the creepy Erin Andrews peephole video. The bad thing about the video is that its been out for a while, and Andrews just recently through her liar eer lawyer confirmed that it was her on the video. A stupid move, she should have just let it be now it's gonna be much worse for her than it had to be.
     
  5. HawaiianEye

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    Until reading this thread I never even heard of Erin Andrews,the video etc.--caliente,I agree with a number of the points you mentioned.However Bonkai is right,she is just going to make things worse for herself by publicizing this--unless that's what she is looking for,publicity.This issue really does not need further publicity because most people are well aware of these types of invasive cameras and the problems they cause.---Also IMO theres far to many cameras placed everywhere 'legally'.It used to be the only places that filmed people in public legally were banks,now cameras are all over the place,and they are an invasion of privacy for everyone,men and women.--Another example of how modern technology is often more harmful,than helpful.
     
  6. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    I couldn't disagree with you more. How is it going to make things worse for her to bring this jerk to justice? Worse than having invasive video of herself floating around the internet? Would it make things "worse" for you if you publicized a robbery at your home? That's just absurd.

    You think she's doing this for publicity??? You can't be serious. Erin Andrews is already enough of a phenomenon in the sports reporting field ... she doesn't need any "publicity".

    Your position also carries hints of the ridiculous old belief that women who are assaulted or violated must have brought it on themselves by the way they dressed or whatever. That's like saying if your car is stolen, you must have brought it on yourself because you owned an expensive car. How ridiculous.
     
  7. HawaiianEye

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    Wait a second.I agree she should bring that jerk to justice.--However by publicizing it(thru the media) wouldn't it give that video alot more exposure on the internet.I don't know,just asking because I'm a little naive when it comes to internet issues.--I think you misunderstood what I meant,or perhaps I worded it poorly.--A sidenote: if I had my way I'd love to ban all these cameras,spycams etc. that could be hidden.
     
  8. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    My anti-virus software won't let me watch the video. It found all the copies listed by Google to be contaminated. :(
     
  9. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    She's not the one writing the news stories about it. She simply indicated that she was going to press charges. You know how the news media works ... they'd dig up everything they could find anyway.

    But I also think she's making a statement here. As I mentioned earlier, this is a fairly common problem that doesn't get the attention it probably deserves. I've come to assume that most public restrooms, for instance, have been "bugged" with spycams. It's easy to miss them because they can be hidden in seemingly impossible locations. And then there are the guys who mount them on gym bags and whatnot so that they can aim them upwards under your dress.

    So I think it's good that this problem is being brought to the public attention.
     
  10. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    I disagree with you. Her lawyer confirmed her identity on the video and released that information to the public for who knows what (yeah, right). You have to remember she is "owned" by ESPN, I can guarantee you that she talked to her ESPN bosses and peers before she did anything concerning her identity on the video. Hell she probably got the go head from ESPN to make it public. Why? Well c'mon her value and fame is going to go way up because of this video (How many people have never heard of Ms Andrews before now?), which means more money for her and of course higher ratings for ESPN.

    Don't get me wrong Ms. Andrews has every right to take down the peeping toms that captured the video, but she'll never find them. The way the video was shot and the wack-a-mole-esque way the video is being hosted is going to make it near impossible to find the criminals and Ms. Andrews surely has to know this.

    Yes, the problem needs to be acknowledged more but I don't think it's as bad as you assume Caliente, public establishments can be hurt from these violating practices as well financially and in reputation. IMHO I doubt Andrews is making any stand/statements against technology and privacy. Confirming her identity would be the first step towards such a stand/statement but she has yet to make any of a deteriorating nature.

    My $.02
     
  11. HawaiianEye

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    ^^^After reading Bonkais last post it seems quite clear that she(Erin 'who ever heard of her before' Andrews) is just seeking publicity,plain and simple.
     
  12. samson

    samson Hepcat

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    was a bad week for Erin, she also took a foul ball off the chin a few days earlier!
     
  13. Zorba The Grape

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    Whatever her reasons for publicizing it, it was a stupid move. There are thousands of videos online claiming to be "peephole vids" of celebrities, and most of them are fake. Why not just ignore it and let people assume this was one of them? Considering her chances of actually finding the people responsible, I'd say she's putting herself through a lot of needless grief and embarrassment, and giving the video much more publicity, all for no practical reason.

    And caliente, do you seriously think that "most public restrooms are bugged"? That's absurd! There are relatively few males who ever have occasion to enter a women's restroom, and the few that do are usually not voyeurs...
     
  14. NotDeadYet

    NotDeadYet Not even close.

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    If that is true in Arizona, the women there must be a hell of a lot hotter than what we have here. With a public restroom spycam in North Carolina, a guy would have to sit through thousands of hours of footage just to find one ass worth looking at.
    :toetap05:
     
  15. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    It's not absurd. How many women's restrooms have you been in? How many times have you been victimized by some sleazy dirtbag trying to aim his video camera up your dress?
     
  16. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    The fact that you have never heard of her doesn't mean that no one else has. She's well-known among people who follow sports.

    And the idea that this is simply a "publicity stunt" is utterly ridiculous. There are plenty of ways to generate publicity, if you want it. Why would a woman subject herself to ridicule and humiliation with a sleazy video posted on disgusting internet sites?
     
  17. Zorba The Grape

    Zorba The Grape Gavagai?

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    That's not a rational argument as to the amount of spy cameras in public restrooms. Even if it was, it assumes that women know when they are subjected to that kind of thing, which they don't. It's just paranoid to think that any significant number of public restrooms have spy cameras installed in them.
     
  18. caliente

    caliente Senior Member

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    And what "rational" argument do you have? You haven't a clue about this because you've never encountered it. And you're saying that if a woman doesn't know it's there, it doesn't matter? How "rational" is that?
     
  19. TheGrayRaven

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    I am a sports fan and knew exactly who was being talked about when this first came up.

    Why would she go public other than for her own publicity?

    To bring publiciuty to the fact that such things occur.

    It was not too long ago that all the laws regarding peeping toms and such were written before the age of mini-cameras.

    When they were discovered hidden it was found out that the wording of the protective laws did not allow for the prosecution of the cameras hidden in people's apartments by their landlords.

    things have changed since then.

    Publicity surrounding incidents can lead to changes in laws and society. For instance, it may lead to hotels rewriting hiring procedures and have policies put in place to safeguard the privacy of patrons at hotels.
     
  20. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    Did you pull most of that out of your ass, because from a lawyers and the states point of view Erin Andrews situation is a invasion of privacy issue. New laws don't have to be for these crimes because they already fall under a specific category of crime.

    In other words Andrews is doing nothing to change legislation on crimes involving hidden cameras because they are already in place (you can get up to 2 years in prison if caught).

    Yes! Why would she? No one knew it was her on the video until she confirmed it. Andrews has to know by confirming her identity she's going to face way more ridicule and humiliation than if she just kept that information in a court room.

    I don't think the video was a publicity stunt (staged), but simply Andrews(or ESPN or both) found out what was out there and decide to make something profitable out of it.
     
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