Obama insults the police

I beg to differ STRONGLY about not being in a police state!!! And I'm so glad that everyone KNOWS what happened in that house. After all, cops NEVER lie, right? They NEVER cover for each other. And they NEVER make mistakes. Right?

I'm sure being black had something to do with the REACTION. But the reason things like this happen is because the cops have basically been given "anything goes" orders, and they are mostly all scared to boot. So they do stupid things. Regularly. Some are more fucked up than others, but it's a fucked up job that requires you to see everyone as a criminal.

 

So maybe the NEIGHBOR was racist and didn't like him. Happens all the time. I can't quite grasp living in the kind of neighborhood they do, why the neighbor wouldn't have a clue who he lived next door to...

 

The Standard Procedure isnt to let the suspect roam away on his own to go look for a way to prove this is where he lives..

By pulling out some ID with the Address of the residence on it dont mean anything from a police officers point of view..

For instance:
1. The Suspect might have moved to a new house and came back to burglarize his old house, with the new residents..
2. This may be his estranged wifes home, and hes not suppose to be there..

While he was restrained to bring about the proof, this is when he became belligerent..
Again the officer isnt going to let him roam free in the house to look for proof, once detained in the process of a crime..
The Suspect obviously dont know how to be detained, and put on the kind of show most people do when being arrested for the first time..

While he believes hes good at the book stuff he preaches.. his human interaction with police officers is a FAIL..

Obama dont know shit about being a police office, he sold crack as a kid and ran from them honkies..
If Obama thinks this lightly of the men and women protecting our streets..
Id hate to know how he feels about our troops overseas detaining people?:toetap05:

 

Okay, I misread.

But, I still stand by my belief that it was a racist situation and I don't think that Obama needs to apologize to the Mass. police department, either. I think the cop was still in the wrong.

 

He had his College ID, with His name,status,ID number,date of birth and or expiration date.

He wasn't arrested for not having proper ID it was for his conduct after being asked to show proper ID.Cops don't run College IDs through their computer, they need SSN#,which a Harvard College ID doesn't have.

Spot ON! I hope the people of NK can squeeze us in their prayers "we're in it together"

 

Gates had already shown ID, the cop was leaving. He arrested Gates when he demanded the cops name and badge number.

Thing is cops aren't heros however little that means today. They are public servants. That cop wasn't endangered. He just had his feathers ruffled. Well guess what get over it.

Obama was right that cop acted stupidly. He acted like he'd been trained by Blackwater and thought he was above the ordinary laws. Guess what we pay his salary to protect our rights not the other way around. A uniform doesn't give you the right to be a bully.

 

We don't have to submit to detention when we are innocent this is the US. Police Officers are paid civil servants it is they that should know how to operate with the public and that doesn't include unneccessary arrests or tasering...which we've seen a lot of lately. If they can't perform their duties in a reasonable manner then they should be fired.

Have you read about the Texas police officers sharing racial emails?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/texas-police-officers-on-_n_244151.html



And give me a break with the support the troops crap. Not every military personnell is worthy of respect. It's a uniform not a gift of hero status. Bush and Cheney created this mindset. It's time it stopped right now! Many weak willed creatins put on uniforms and perform unspeakable wrongs. Get you head out of your ass. That's how Hitler pulled off the holocaust.

 

Did any of you guys read this thread?

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=5763549&postcount=86

(read further too)

 

Well trained isn't he? Why didn't he just turn and get in his car? He'd identified Gates as the resident of the home.

 

It appears so.
Why should he?

 

Because he had identified Gates as the resident of the home. No crime had been committed. Or was he just protecting the white sensibility of the neighborhood?

How dare Gates ask for a name and badge number. That I suppose is an arrestable offense? This man was on his own property not a public sidewalk or park.

 

I'm assuming it was preventitve action.
To be honest, the rights and wrongs of the situation are irrelevant now.
There was probably a little bit of grandstanding on both sides.
The detail that is making a lot of people angry - it seems - is the race issue.
I'm hoping this will not open up a can of worms...
The person at fault if it is does is Gates.

I think Fawkes got it about right.

 

The person that got it wrong was the cop. Gates was on his own property. The cop was a civil servant only paid to protect citizens in their homes. And this was Gate's home. Why didn't the cop want to give out his name and badge number? And race appears to be a big part of the incident. And it shouldn't be swept under the table because a cop performed it. In fact an issue should be made of it so that it doesn't happen in the future.

I hope no one apologizes to the cops, I hope they are held accountable now and in the future.

 

I don't know why the cop didn't do this or didn't do that.
But I really don't care about that part of it at all, tbh.

This is dangerous, because you are accepting a knee jerk reaction off Gates.
Sure, question why this or that didn't occur.
But, for christ sake, don't naval gaze about if it was a race issue.
It wasn't.
To make it so now, is just fueling a incident that should have died a few days ago.

 

Since Bush/Cheney what do you expect from citizens trying to protect their civil rights? I am not so sure it should be left to die out in the public consciousness. I think we have to be more than vigilant about respecting each others rights. And Uniforms of any type get no pass from me.

 

I still don't understand how this was a public disturbance. He was on his own property. If I'd been handcuffed and arrested for shouting on my own property I'd being seeing a lawyer. And I am white.

And you should hope that police department has a huge legal defense fund. I don't know how well trained that officer was, but he overstepped.

If I was the head of the department I wouldn't be wasting anymore of my budget sending my staff for similar training.

 

See your lawyer, make a complaint, take it up with the chief of police if you like.
But keep it factual.
I don't see Gates keeping to the story about it being a racial issue.
He is keeping his mouth shut as far as I can see.
So, why continue to blow this up into something he might later say was a slight over-reaction?
Riots, waylays and disturbances of the peace later and he goes: Erm, perhaps I was wrong.
Then what?
Everybody suddenly changes their tune?
Too bloody late then.

 

Perhaps he did. But why a huge legal fund?
Why not just an apology if it was the case?
You Americans don't half like drama don't you?

Well, you are not.

 

I have trouble believing that a 10-year-veteran white cop who teaches the anti-profiling class at the police academy would do anything even remotely racist.

Especially in front of his black partner, who is prominently seen in the arrest photo.

Obama fucked up. It's as if he is trying to provoke more similar incidents.

How many young black people are watching this unfold and say to themselves: "Hey, we got a real nigga in da White Hous! Fuck da police, da Pres got our back!" How many of them would feel encouraged to go out there and do something profoundly stupid, and fuck up their lives either by getting arrested or by getting shot?

Think about that...

 

QFT!! :cheers2: