random though about trannies

hi people...i've been watching some tran porn, just for curiosity...and now i'm really interested in trannies...i've talked with my friends about it, and all of em said they're just nasty...i don't think so. Usually i call them girls, even they're not real girls, but just because the dick...some of them are really hot. I dont like when people call them Ladyboys, or shemale, I think those names are really depreciative.

anyway...since i use girls to describe trannies, am i disrespecting real woman?

sorry my bad english
and plz dont flame me, because i wasted your time, be kind

 

Possibly. Some people for whatever reason, like making themselves look like women, but are quite happy with their male genitals. These people I would call trannies, ladyboys, or shemales. Somebody truly born in the wrong body though, and doesnt identify with their male body in any way, and sees themselves only as female, and wants/gets surgery to correct the incogurent bits is a woman though. And it would be highly offensive to call someone like that a ladyboy, a tranny, or anything like that. People like that just want to be seen as women.

 

yeahh exactly what i was thinking...

and I agree when you said that there is alot of guys out there, that dress like woman just for fun...but some of them really need to transform their man's body into a woman one, because they woman inside...BUT there is also alooot of trannies, that are like that cuz they want to make money in porn industry

 

I think you're insulting transsexuals more then anything, the number of so called she-males in the porn industry is no different then the amount of normal women in the porn industry, it's just a girl with a dick stands out more in memory then a normal woman.

1. We are not nasty
2. Most transwomen would in fact be horrified to do pro porn like that just like most any women.
3. Most of those who do do it are on the same page as women who walks the streets, money. You know how much money it takes to try to change your gender?

 

no no no...that's not what i'm saying

But i know a couple o trannies that were in porn industry, to get money for cirurgies in first place, but now they got enough money, and they still have a dicks, and still do pornos...

I didn't want to disrespect trannies, i'm sorry

 

Well using the word tranny is hugely disrespectfull to begin with

 

It is, but only to people who feel they are in the wrong body. Transvestites, and guys who are happy with their male genitals but try and look like women also dont mind being called trannys. The problem is, because ignorant people like to like to lump all people who fall foul of "gender norms" together, then someone with a genuine brain/body mismatch will be treated just the same as the aforementioned people. The difference is, some people like me, have no wish to "subvert" gender norms, we just wish to be seen as normal members of our real gender. Its no act, its what we are. To me, calling anyone a tranny is offensive, unless they are the kind of person who doesnt mind being called that.

 

It doesn't matter what you decide to call any given group because it's never going to satisfy everybody and I guaran-damn-tee you that someone's going to be offended. Don't lose any sleep over it. That's just the world we live in. I call the good old USA the United States of the Offended because there are so many goddamn whiners here. Some people just need to get over themselves. And BTW, I'm not picking on any one group here and I think a good looking she-male is hot as hell too. As a bisexual male, I'd date one in a heartbeat.

 

No see you can please some people, because she-male is just straight up offensive, no transgendered person calls themselves a she-male, people who watch porn on the internet with trannies in it call them she-males.

 

Well it's certainly not my intent to be blatantly offensive to anyone, that wasn't the point of my rant. So consider me educated on the matter of using that particular term. I must admit to an overall ignorance of this segment of our society. I do know enough to understand that it's often a difficult path for many, through no fault of their own, and it's my intention to learn and understand more about it. Please consider this my sincere apology.

 

Please let's not get into the weight of words. Words mean what the person using them is trying to convey.

I am white, and I have a friend who is white and female. She exclusively dates black guys. Most of her girlfriends are black girls. I hear her talking to people and she'll say something like, "Nigga, please!" or some such. She just throws the word around. I won't do it. Everyone who knows her knows that she means nothing disrespectful, but is using the term affectionately.

So let's not derail the thread over using the word tranny.

I think the porn is hot, but only if it's trannies with their original gear with women.

 

Yes, but then the transpeople in those porn sites obviously dont mind, or actually like being called "she-males" or "trannys". And I think this leads to no end of confusion. Any person who has felt the opposite sex all their lives, and wishes their body to fall in line with that would find those terms offensive. But then again, to me, even the term "transsexual" or "transgender" is offensive. Only female, and labels and terms based around that would be acceptable to me. Anything that implies I am in any way male, or even was, would be offensive to me. Seeing as Ive never identified as male. If anyone reffered to me as anything other than in a completely female context, it would hurt me. Misleading labels are just there for other people's benefit. And I think as long as people like me are only ever seen as "half-female", or in contexts like "used to be a male/man", then its going to be difficult to get anyone who is uneducated about this condition to take it seriously. At the end of the day, people like me are just another aspect of intersex, but then I guess even about that a lot of ignorance exists. The big problem is, lots of people see no difference between "she-males" (men who make themselves up as women, but dont mind or actually enjoy their male genitalia), and people who were born anatomically male, but with a female brain and/or other biological components of the opposite sex.

The thing is, for someone like me, its all about identity, there's nothing sexual about it whatsoever. Its all about gender, simple as that. "She-males" and the like are just another aspect of sexuality, and for a lot of people, the line is blurred between the two things, when they are in fact entirely different. I do think the whole "she-male"/"tranny" porn phenomena has made it even harder than it already was for people like me to be seens as, and accepted completely as the genders we are. But that isnt the fault of the she-males, more of the ignorant people who have no conception of the difference between them, and the people who do not identify with their born genitals in any way whatsoever. The big difference: One is about sex, the other is about gender, two entirely seperate things.

The same problem exists because of association with the LGB as well. I think as long as gender specific conditions are associated with sexual orientations, then the problem and ignorance about it will just perpetuate. Gender identity has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation, but as long as gay issues and trans issues are seen as linked and intertwined, then I suppose people cant be blamed for making the assumption that the 2 things are somehow connected, when they are in no way connected, other than that both groups of people suffer prejudice.

 

How is it derailing the thread? The OP wanted to know if the term tranny was offensive. So talking about the offensiveness and inappropriate use of that word is actually very much in the context of the thread.

 

The OP:


hi people...i've been watching some tran porn, just for curiosity...and now i'm really interested in trannies...i've talked with my friends about it, and all of em said they're just nasty...i don't think so. Usually i call them girls, even they're not real girls, but just because the dick...some of them are really hot. I dont like when people call them Ladyboys, or shemale, I think those names are really depreciative.

anyway...since i use girls to describe trannies, am i disrespecting real woman?

sorry my bad english
and plz dont flame me, because i wasted your time, be kind



Hm. Alright. That sentence about not liking the terms Ladyboys or shemale did bring this up, alright.

My bad. Please proceed.

 

Trap here.

I did some tranny porn last year. Was all in good fun. Good money, free vacation to LA for a few days. People that work in the industry behind the camera are generally very nice (some maybe a bit sleezy). If you look at it more as an art form it makes it a bit more appealing, although there are some really ugly ones out there that do it as well as the ones that have become consumed by materialism. The girls that work these porns are for the most part delusional. I've talked with quite a few and they generally come off as conceited.

I mention materialism with regards to the ones constantly going for the next surgery. Some of it might be necessary, but they take it far beyond sensibility. The result is a facade that is unable to "fix" their own insecurities as they continually want more. It's rather ridiculous and disappointing to watch girls go down the tubes. It seems as those they try to fix the outside without realizing that contentness comes from within.

As for terminology and labeling goes I fail to understand why some get so upset. In actuality regardless of the circumstances of the angst one may feel, genetically they are 'xy.' This means they will always be male regardless of how much they detest the fact. The reason they were born with a penis is in all likelihood because they are 'xy.' Some can't seem to come to terms with this so they bicker and holler over it. Get over it. Society is going to attach labels such as tranny or shemale. That's what society does. In general it's uncomfortable with the anomalous. To ease it's own anxiety it needs to attach labels. As a transgendered individual society is going to label you as thus and not as whatever gender you're trying to become because in it's eyes you simply cannot be that gender as you weren't born into it. It's the same as saying 1 = 2. To a vast majority this simply does not make sense.

The solution is clandestinity. By not informing society of being transgendered will result in it accepting you as the desired gender as per resemblance. This may appear initially pleasing, but what it means is the denial of one's self. To truly be content one must except oneself as oneself. It's easier said then done.

All in all, don't get so worked up over trivial things. It's just words.

 

There is so much ignorance in the above post, Im not even going to bother tearing it apart, which would be very easy to do...

"Denial of one's self", you are ignorant in the extreme. You clearly dont know what you're talking about. Take it from somone who knows, you're just wrong. You know who a person is better than their own self? I think not.

 

Ever hear of the Dalai Lama? I think he has a good idea of what happiness / contentness is. Sorry you get aggravated that people might call you a tranny or something to that extent, but it happens. If you were really comfortable with yourself it wouldn't phase you.

 

Even if you felt the term/label was perpetuating an untruth about you? Just because you've accepted yourself, it doesnt mean you have to accept ignorant comments from others who either know nothing about you, or how you feel. I know I cant stop someone from calling me that if they wish, but that doesn't mean I have to like that, or agree with that. Sure you could turn the other cheek, but it still wouldnt mean agreeing with that mindset. I can accept myself without accepting others' ignorance of me. I am not a tranny, if other people wish to see me as that, there's not a lot I can do about it, but I'll never see myself as that, and I dont see why I should, just to placate the ignorant mindset of others.

You are right though in saying the only way someone like me can be treated the way we want to be, just ourselves, is not disclose our medical history regarding that, though you are very wrong to say that doing that is "denying ones self". How is wanting people to see you the way you see yourself denying yourself? Thats stupid. If telling someone something about yourself is going to make them think something about you which is false, then you arent going to say it, are you? It has nothing to do with denying youself, just wanting to be treated like your true gender, and a normal person, which is all most people in my situation want. You cant judge everyone by the criteria of the ones you've worked with in the porn industry, in fact, Id say its world's apart.

 

If you deny that you're a tranny by living in 'stealth' then you're essentially lying not to just the world but yourself. That's not healthy. You need to come to grips with the fact that you are a transgendered individual regardless. You may want to believe you are a girl, but by definition you are not. I'm not saying that makes you any less of a person or any less feminine. Speaking solely on genetic terms, you can not be a woman. It's impossible until someone finds a way to alter your genetic code. Male is and forever be by definition your true gender. The only thing you can change are outward appearances. Sure you can shout that's ignorant all you want, but it's the truth. Something you need to realize is that simple fact. Any one who says otherwise is just pacifying you, not helping you progress as individual.

Yes I did talk about trannies from the porn industry, but there's also another kind. Something like you. The difference is you're a little less desperate to reach your measures financially. The girls that do porn do it for the money. Obviously you come from a 'better' place so you haven't had to resort to such for money. Medications, surgery, etc... isn't cheap by any means. Not everyone can simply just afford it. That's the only difference. You're just as naive as any other to believe that through some alterations you can be something else. The closest you can ever be is a facade. The problem is that in excepting that seems to deny your reason for transitioning (the idea that you were born in the wrong body). You ride a high horse as if you're better then them because you can manage without doing what they do. Do you think that they don't have the same ideals? Yes they too believe they were born in the wrong body, hence transitioning in the first place. For them, porn is money, a job. They get the same srs you get eventually (if not then better as they'll have more money towards it).

Just because you don't like a label that society gave doesn't mean you don't fit into that category. You're delusional to think otherwise. You're not a woman, you can never be woman (from a genetic, scientific perspective). You're being irrational saying you're a woman when there's clear evidence that you aren't. If you can't except that about yourself, then you haven't learned to fully except yourself. Think about you're reason for transitioning a little bit more then just the cliche.

Essentially you have to realize that yelling at people for being ignorant in calling you something will get you nowhere. All it does it give them the attention they wanted and the satisfaction of knowing you really are what they just said. Ignore it, get over it. They're just words. Violence only perpetuates violence.

 

By YOUR definition I am male. But I am not. It is a scientific fact that gender and outword physical sex is actually not the same thing. Just because you and many others think that, it doesnt make it a fact. I will call you ignorant, because it is not the truth. But, if you really want to be pendantic about it, I actually am genetically female, (I have some secondary male physical characteristics due to a hormonal defect, but I am genetically female.) not that that really makes an iota of difference really. Chromosomes and sex in brain structure (yes, someone's brain structure is part of your physical sex, and the sexes have differences in brain structure) can conflict with somones born outer sex anatomy, and this is a cast iron irrfetuable scientific fact. So I am in fact, not "lying" to anyone, just because you lack the knowledge about the actual mechanics of physical sex and gender, does not excuse your ignorance about the subject. You may also like to know, that is very possible to have XX males and XY females, biologically speaking, and if you don't believe that, go and do research on chromosomal "abnormalities", and you will see this for yourself. You can also get several other chromosomal types other than XX/XY. You, and others like you believe physical sex and gender are 100% intertwined, and also, that it is impossible for those two things to conflict with each other. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is a scientific fact that those things can be seperate, and can conflict with each other, the existence of intersex people, and the research done on mtf trannsexuals' brains showing some actually have a female brain structure is the proof of this. Just because you, and society at large are ignorant about these medical facts, does not stop them from being facts. You are uneducated about the subject, its as simple as that, and therefore, your "truths" are shown up for the misinformed drivel that they actually are. So, in actual fact, calling me a "tranny" is deceptive in the extreme, especially without all of my medical facts to hand.

Again, pure assumption on your part, as per usual. I actually do not have the money, or come from a "better" place. Its just that I could never do what those people are doing. I am disgusted by own body, and would rather die before I let anyone else see it. Id rather live in an eternal limbo state than lose my dignity in such a manner. No amount of money could ever make me do that, and seeing as Im not in the financial position you seem to believe I am, I think it is you who is on your high horse, and once again, judging without all the facts to hand.

Dont bring science into this, you're only digging a bigger hole for yourself by doing that. Like I said do the research on this, and intersex conditions, and you will see that for yourself. Just because society places a conveniant label on something they dont understand, does not make it correct. All it is, is a blatant assumption. You say there's clear evidence Im not a woman. How on earth can you say that? You dont know my brain structure, you dont know my genetic makeups, and chromosomal status. It is you who doesnt accept me for what I am, not that I cant accept myself. Just because you are ignorant, (And that is exactly what you are) is no excuse for your blatant assumptions and prejudices. You have the nerve to call me "deluded", even though you havent got the first clue about me. The scientific evidence is there to clearly show that at least some, who would be labelled "transsexual", actually do have some biological components of the opposite sex. Be that chromosomal, or the sex in brain structure, or a combination of both. Seeing as this is the case, I think all the things you've flung at me to try and justify your own uneducated view on this subject can be easily dismissed.

You cant judge a book by its cover, and just because something might appear obviously one thing, doesnt mean that it is. And that is a scientific fact, and the research that has been done into this has been miniscule to say the least. It is very true to say that most of the general public would agree with your views, but just because people are unaware of the facts does not change them from being facts. Gender and even physical sex is not as black and white as you and others would like to believe, and that isnt just my opinion, or a "delusion", it is a scientific fact. You might not like that, but its the way it is.