WARNING to new RCers / 4-ACO-DMT

My friend did 35 mg 4-ACO-DMT and dropped on the floor and hurt his teeth. They moved a bit which messed up his bite, he has braces and maybe that's what saved the teeth from being knocked out?!

Either way, be very very very careful and take waaay less than you think the first time. It's very potent.

There may be damage here and more orthodontic treatment needed, for longer time at least, to re-adjust the teeth...

Worse things could have happened, there were positive aspects of the experience but it probably could have been had at much smaller amounts.

I would think that 15 mg would be better, and no more than 22 mg. There were trip sitters but no one could do anything.

If something worse happened and he had to go to the hospital then, that might have been very bad.

He will probably go to the hospital in the morning just to make sure things are OK.

It was a good thing his friend's dad was a Marine, had lots of experience with getting teeth knocked out/healing, and he also had lots of experience with shrooms...

Just do less than you think!

These things are powerful...



Another person who was there took 27 mg and was OK. I believe there is a threshold above 25mg or 30mg that is potentially dangerous, even with trip sitters, and the one who took 27 mg was more experienced with shrooms so that may be a reason he didn't break the threshold, or maybe it's higher, maybe it's 30 or 35 mg; the other guy who took around 35 mg took 27 mg and licked up all the extra stuff, so I'm estimating here, there was a cheap scale involved so it could be pretty variable but....

one definitely took about 10 mg more or so and that made a dangerously huge difference...

There was also a lot less food in his system, and he drank a whole lot of mango juice...




I know, it's motherfucking stupid shit that happened. Let this be a lesson that you learn here so that you don't have to experience it for yourself.

 

your algae grew teeth?

 

LMFAO!

Ouch about the teeth. sounds painful. Did he trip? lol...he he no pun intended.

The monkeys pictured in my avatar like to take 45-50mgs of 4-aco-dmt. They go Bananas over it.

 

so how much did YOU(r algae) take? or what dose will be next?
20 mg?

 

It was at least 30 mg probably 35, maybe 40...

Next time would probably be 15 mg, it's pretty scary...

There were other medications involved and that might have caused the problem - prednisone, for one.

 

:rofl:


but yeah, sucks about the teeth. i had to get braces recently and i would hate to have the stuff messed up and have them for longer. the first time trippin with them on was weird.

 

Prednisone can cause a host of reactions as it effects many different body systems and has an effect on the immune system. Thanks for the warning, but what were some of the other medications?

 

How did the AcO make him trip? Or fall and hurt his teeth?

Sounds like a normal high dosage experience. Inexperienced people should always take less. That is supposed to be some of the funnest stuff too. What if it had been DPT or something more intense? I like to hear storied though.

Sucks about the teeth bad.

 

Very intense, like a dream while awake, but it was not entirely pleasant. Other friend enjoyed himself, probably lower dose, but this friend had anxiety during and it seems to be long lasting.

I would be very careful assuming this or other things help anxiety; I fear it has made it worse additional help may be needed.

 

Any more specifics? At which point / how long into the experience did he drop to the floor? immediately after ingestion? How did he ingest the chemical?

 

I'll write more every day.

This was a very significant experience.

Prednisone involved, don't do that. Did the 30-40mg gelcap on empty stomache (light meal beforehand) and drank MANGO juice, a lot of it, with sparkling water to get things going.

At the peak, like about 2 hours into it I think he fell.

There was previous anxiety issues possible caused from Cannabis, so basically unresolved anxiety and at the same time there was a week and half beforehand of sickness, psychological and/or biological. It seems like viral bronchitis.

I would recommend staying away from this and any RC if you have already anxiety issues, and especially if you are sick, and if you do want to try something, don't do like he did, doing it in a HUGE dose on top of all that.

If anything, wait until your mind is clear and do a small amount with a trip sitter very close by.

He has had worsening anxiety thinking breathing problems were caused by it or the cannabis when it turns out after every trip to the ER that there are no lung problems. It's all anxiety. It was so bad though after that, probably because of fear of damage to teeth and repercussions with family finding out. He went to the ER for the last time today and told them about 4-ACO-DMT, said he got it from a friend though, they asked, maybe online? He said, "maybe."

He had to say everything because he was afraid of permanent anxiety but it seems more like it was the previous anxiety just made slightly worse with a BAD trip, falling, breaking teeth (all good now, no fractures, and re-aligned with braces!), and so Ativan is now used for the time being and it seems that the anxiety is getting better.

So, 30-40+mg with meds (also took 5-HTP I think, same time as Prednisone that morning about 10 am, a beer at 4 PM, and 4-ACO-DMT at 6 PM) was anxiety filled even before the wood floor made out with his face at about 8:00 PM proving that the product worked). One day after, depression, slight, a lot less worse depression than the days after a light 350mg DXM trip though!

One important thing to note: the other friend that did it at about 25-28 mg, a more experienced shroomer, had no anxiety during or after, and no depression. He took no meds, and uses cannabis without anxiety.

These are the distinctions/facts you have to look at and do what's right for yourself. Research... The one friend with the anxiety may have to abstain from anything for weeks at least, until anxiety is under control without Ativan/Clonipin etc... but for the time being it's a little rough. (bear in mind that even before the 4-ACO-DMT was taken, there was Clonopin taken for severe breathing problems related to anxiety/viral bronchitis, probably psychological only, from cannabis.)

It seems to be that there was never any viral bronchitis and it was purely psychological anxiety as no albuteral inhalers or nebulizers worked to help breathing (caused anxiety, made it worse), prednisone worked as a placebo, Zyrtec helped for drowsiness to sleep.

Also, Oxygen in the ER helped when Oxygen levels in blood were already at 100% which makes no sense except that Oxygen has anxiety relieving effects and that's why it worked.

Should post something about this in The Fear thread, because this bad experience was basically some of The Fear from cannabis combined with The Fear from over-intense trip and possible PTSD or something like that afterwords.

Stay safe, moderate, and be educated.

STOP ALL MEDS THE DAY OF A TRIP IMO.

 

That's amazing. No anxiety? Regular use? Started small doses and gradually increased?

 

Fuck that. As soon as I am fortunate enough to obtain some 4-AcO......I fully intend on dosing 50-60mg. Perhaps more.

 

Get some soon then, Id love a trip report of that.

 

Oh, my, well, just don't say I didn't warn you. My friend is just sort of getting over his anxiety and it's been four days.

If you have no anxiety issues or depression, at least anxiety, I think you will be fine and I envy your ability to take that much. Please let me know how that goes.

 

I think he'll be fine, it sounds to me like your friend isn't suited for psychedelics right now. I took a break from them for several months due to anxiety issues and I'm glad I did and possibly avoided a difficult trip.

 

Are you saying that at a lower dose and in the future, like months from now or when the anxiety is gone, there will probably be a very positive experience with 4-aco?

I wonder what a 5 mg dose would do to a migraine... from what I heard it certainly feel painkilling and headmessing like it should...








By the way, just note that this was a difficult experience and so the difficulties are being processed first. I will post later about the positive aspects in more detail as, besides the anxiety and physically being hurt, it was one of the most intense experiences ever.





The best thing about it was hysterical laughter after like 30 minutes... hard to contain myself, pure joy. Just like the first time I used Cannabis!

 

LET IT B KNOWN THIS GUY IS RITE~!!!!!! always start small every1 reacts diff 2 these chems out of the many many many ppl swim knws tht have taken it this same event (w/o the knocked out teeth) has happened 2 2 ppl...there is also a report on erowid where a guy blacked out or "tranced" and woke up w a bump on his head...this chem essentially turns into psilocybin and as is the case with psilo some ppl pass out. i wouldnt call it dangerous as some1 said....there havnt been ne deaths related 2 this chem and it is likely (as is the case w psilo) 2 b less toxic than caffiene. I guess im just sayin (mainly cuz of the guy claiming hes gonna take 60-70mg first time) B SAFE!!! start small n work up...PLZ!?!?!! itd b aweful if some1 got hurt because of arrogance.

 

TNS (the guy sayin that) has determined that he's a "hard head" when it comes to RCs or psychedelics. he often takes up to 40 or 50 mg of 2ce, or several hits of acid or DOx....
i guess i'll stop talking for ya though man


i agree though, with a new chem it could be different, you could be sensitive.
but you know yourself best..

sounds like your friend xanominty (close)
or is it really you?
should not be mixing psychedelics with perscription psychotropics
if he's anxiety ridden all the time, tripping is just gonna make it worse probably
i'm pretty happy with my sober life, so i'm really happy when i trip
tripping is not good for escaping your problems

 

Yea, it's me. I don't think I mixed with prescription psychotropics, but I did take a Clonipin afterwords.

I was looking to see for a change for depression/anxiety, but I guess you have to come in with all that gone, unless it would have been a much lower dose, I'm sure there would be less issues. (confusion here because of reading of reports from clinical trials for treatment of anxiety/PTSD and depression, but maybe that was Pscilocybn, not Psilocin... maybe that's the distinction? I never had anxiety on raw baeos mushrooms.

I would have to agree that tripping is not good for escaping your problems and also maybe for dealing with your problems, if you aren't ready for it because everything all comes out in the open to think about.