Al Queda to add 1.3 billion people to its hit list?

I am hoping for a realistic thought and analysis. I think the Chinese are more than capable of dealing with any threat to their communist government as they have proven with their oppression of all dissenting voices.

Since Bush and Cheney found that going after Bin Laden was not necessary I find throwing money and arms into some imagined threat to the communist Chinese is also misplaced at this time.

Sorry but I fail to buy into the argument that some phantom muslim enemy is now threatening the whole of China.

And don't use Islamic Terrorism as a rallying call, it doesn't work anymore. Try another marketting firm for a new catch phrase.

Personally I am more afraid of Chinese influence on the American way of life with their investment in our economy and their total lack of acknowledging those that oppose their regine.

For them Nike and Walmart are gods. They sell us goods that poison our pets and kids in the name of the free market. To me that is a more insidious evil.

 

It isn't supposed to be a threat against the communist governemt...but the people in China who don't agree with what Al-Quaeda et all (I agree putting all Islamic terrorists under "Al-Quaeda is simplistic...but many latch onto the name for the so-called prestige).
The last Islamic bomb that went off killed who?
High ranking military men...? Government officials...?
No...people that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Where does it say that that is happening?

I doubt it is threatening the whole of China...only certain areas...

Introduction
What is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement?
Who are the Uighurs?
Does the ETIM have ties to al-Qaeda?
Does the ETIM target Americans?
What kinds of attacks has the group launched?
Why did the United States decide to target the ETIM?
How does China respond to the separatist movement?

A rallying call? What are you talking about?
To be honest....
I think we all need to catch up on this one...

 

But even then, the "Afghan Arabs" were distinct from the Mujahadeen, as they were funded and organised by wealthy Gulf state sponsors. At most they only numbered a few hundred compared to Afghan resistance which numbered perhaps 100,000 and they were considered less effective - there weren't some kind of super commando terrorists, they were just muslim zealots.

Secondly, the US had an indirect relationship with the mujahadeen - Pakistan wouldn't let more than a handful of Americans operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan. Everything - money, equipment - had to go through Pakistan.

Osama didn't even hold the first meeting of the group that would become 'Al Queda' until August 1988, at which point the Soviets were half way through their withdrawal from Afghanistan and the US was on the verge of abandoning Afghanistan completely. The US had signed the Geneva Accords four months earlier, an agreement which ended the superpowers' involvement in Afghanistan.

Whoops - now I'm off topic.

 

I think so, in fact I have always believed that China and the US are natural allies and will grow closer as China sheds its persecution complex. They can't just free ride on the US as global cop forever.

 

Thanks for the detail.
I didn't want to go to mad with the detail.
These details won't make a jot of difference to some people.
*sigh*.

"I think so, in fact I have always believed that China and the US are natural allies and will grow closer as China sheds its persecution complex. They can't just free ride on the US as global cop forever. "

Natural allies. Yeah, I hear that a lot. I guess so.
I'm not sure they do take a free ride, but they certainly don't like to share the same podium. This is what I'd like to see change.
It certainly doesn't mind trading with the US...that relationship is warm almost hot.
Other relationships need to be the same way, imo.

This looks interesting:

China's Economic and Political Rise: Implications for Global Terrorism and U.S.-China Cooperation

 

Mmmkay.

Edit: I didn't say the CIA funds them now. Now the CIA receives more funding because of it; mission accomplished.

 

This

 

Al-qaeda= Al-ciada

 

Nobody has posted anything solid on how the CIA funded Al-Quaeda...weird that.

 

Hi.

 

Hi.

Not the same thing. Two completely seperate entities.
Are you saying Al-Quaeda has the same Ideology and frame-work ETC as the "Mujahideen"?
That will be the same logic as Coke was sympathetic with the Nazi regime and championed the holocaust...because they (Coke) participated in the Berlin Olympics.
I didn't think you used as tenuous links as that.

 

The fact that the same individuals are in command of both militias doesn't disturb you in the least? Was Hitler ever CEO of Coke, Ltd.?

I also seem to recall reading in Figaro that the CIA had meetings with bin-Laden when he was hospitalized in Sudan and Clinton was given the option to have him captured and refused. That was after so-called terrorrist attacks had already been carried out by his militia (insert name here) in East Africa and the Gulf Coast.

To me it's not names, morality, and ideology that matters. That is the gloss. To me what matters is the actual material conditions on the ground.

The U.S. does not produce as much as it consumes. The U.S. produces more weapons than it can use. It needs markets, and it needs resources. And throughout its history as a hegemonic power, it's had enemies overseas that have justified the hunt for new markets.

Justifications notwithstanding, friends frequently become foes (like the Mujahadeen, Saddam, Mugabe, etc.) and vice-versa (the ideology changes to adapt itself to material reality).

That is not because individual americans are immoral. But because systemically, the U.S. cannot survive otherwise.

 

That's more like it Cherea.
Shame I'm going home now.
Oh well...unless Al-Quaeda get me your post will still be there in the morning.
Thanks for the better response.

 

No problem, pal.

 

No, because the mission statements have changed.
Plus, the Mujahideen are not one large body of people...ignoring the intricacies of attempting to figure out if OBL et al were in charge of any Mujahideen groups or what their particular goals were at the time...
The general mission of most of the Mujahideen was to fight the Taleban.
Which we are doing now and were helping to do back then.
OBL has switched sides...therefore is now the enemy.
He isn't Mujahideen he is Al-Quaeda now.

No, but if he decided he wanted to be, ran the place with dedication and didn't put infidels blood into each bottle, i'd be ok with him being there.
That said, I'd have to consider what I knew of Hitler before he became CEO.
Clearly if he became CEO in 1945 onwards, I'd have a big issue with it.
From what I can gather, OBL et al, saw the threat of the Taliban as a big issue.
It is true they could have been getting rid of them for not entirely the right reasons...

To be fair, the last 30-40 years within that region have been a bloody mess (pardon the pun).
Nobody is clean and nobody is beyond some forms of hypocrisy, to a certain degree.

But, I do think you have to make a distinction to what was occuring then to what is occuring now.
Clearly OBL wants all his old "allies" dead now...so, dragging up the fact OBL et al once fought alongside us against the Taliban...and then deducing we funded Al-Quaeda is kinda fuzzy logic, imo.
The CIA didn't fund Al-Quaedas NEW mission after their apparent funding of the Afghan Mujahideen during the late 70 early 80s.
So, the connection, imo, gets even more tenuous the closer to the present day we get.

The capture of Bin Laden is not really anything to do with Al-Quaeda/CIA funding. Unless you are trying to suggest Clinton didn't want him captured because Clinton was funding him via the CIA. Surely not.

I agree.

And?

That is all I am really saying here.
Al-Quaeda are not the Mujahideen.
They have changed their ideology.
So, to accuse the CIA of funding Al-Quaeda seems a tad unfair, to put it mildly.
So, is there really any evidence the CIA funds/ed Al-Quaeda?
Imo, no.

 

Most of the people who believe this garbage are either elderly and scared or just stupid.

 

I don't see how branding people is any help, either. We all have to believe certain things in order to survive.

 

Or so society dictates...

 

This from someone who thinks the space shuttle disaster was a pagan ritual killing? :smilielol5:

 

:smilielol5:I have not read that one. I would love too.