Is it OK to kill certain animals?

This is completely false. Why do you say such things?

 

It's not completely false. Look it up.

[EDIT]I looked it up for you. Here's a link to an article from the Harvard School of Public Health-- basically, it states that animal protein contains more of the amino acids that one needs.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/protein-full-story/index.html

Do your research before you make stuff up again.[/EDIT]

 

What you said is completely false. I'll say it again. Just because animal protein may have more of what we need doesn't mean we need to eat it. It may be good, but it is not essential.

Being a vegan is a completely valid and healthy lifestyle.

 

I won't even start in on how ridiculously many health problems can come from a vegan lifestyle, let alone the seriously flawed reasoning behind many decisions to become vegan. You're right, it's possible to be healthy and be vegan, but to the person who doesn't want to be thinking constantly about "Okay, what nutrition supplement haven't I taken today?" or about how to balance out essential minerals in the diet, vegan is not a valid lifestyle.

I shouldn't have said necessary, but it's very near necessary.

 

Just like you shouldn't sail a sailboat without knowing how to sail, you shouldn't become vegan without knowing a little nutrition. The only tricky thing you need to know is how to get enough Vitamin B12, which normally comes only from animal sources. A vegan can get by it by eating miso and other fermented soy products. It's not that hard to be a healthy vegan. There are tons of books and web resources on how to do it right.

The only concession I'll make to your overblown argument is that perhaps stupid people living far from a health store shouldn't become vegans.

 

I don't get this at all. I think you are desperately trying to see hunting as "sport" and this somehow makes killing OK. You want to justify your desire to kill animals.

 

To be honest, I've never actually met a vegan that knew a thing about nutrition, so when researching the nutrition on veganism, I only got to about the "Animal protein is really good" stage. Never got to B12 and never heard of miso.

I still stand by my initial premise, however-- humans have evolved to eat meat, making veganism and vegetarianism evolutionarily backward. Generally, things that are evolutionarily backward don't turn out too well (see the panda) so I see it as there being a reason humans are omnivorous, even if it can be circumvented with lentils and fermented soy.

 

I think that evolution is both physical and spiritual. Perhaps it's true that becoming a vegan is evolutionary backward physically, but on a spiritual level, it is definitely a step upward.

We have free will. We should not be slaves to some dubious argument about evolution.

 

As a firm believer in science and the empirical process, I don't share your beliefs about spirituality or free will. Sorry.

[EDIT]Not to say that science disproves spirituality or free will. I just don't subscribe to any sort of spirituality, and logic states there is no such thing as free will. At least, my understanding of logic does.[/EDIT]

Edit again: Screw what I said about logic and free will. I believe in free will, not cause and effect which would negate it. I don't believe that having free will means we shouldn't eat animals because of what we've already done to the animals over millennia of farming them.

 

I used to feel the way you do, when I was in my early 20's. Then I had some interesting experiences .... Keep your mind open and free! There might be more out there than you realize.....

 

where do you think the idea came from that an animal or insect is lesser than humans?

 

I think it's completely obvious, isn't it? They can't talk.

 

My mind is definitely open, no worries.

 

i feel bad when i squash bugs.

 

Yea, me too.

 

The argument that killing animals is okay because it happens in nature isn't a good argument. Animals in nature are highly immoral and not conscientious. We as humans have the ability to consider our actions and the ethical implications of them, and so we always should. Being "natural" or "unnatural" is no argument for anything, as everything is natural.

I eat animals by the way. I just can't stand horribly flawed arguments.

 

Yes, well said. I also hear the argument about the evolution of human teeth and how the presence of canines proves that we're "meant" to eat meat, or something like that. Your statement applies to that argument, too.

 

As if our teeth were fashioned by some sentient creator who intended us to use them to shred through flesh. I have nipples too but what am I supposed to do with those?

 

Animals kill other animals and eat them. Humans are animals. Why should we be different? That said I more strongly support hunting and eating animals then I do eating animals from factory farms or even family farms. I do however strongly oppose hunting for sport, thats just fucked up, and I also oppose killing insects... its fucking pointless.

 

Animals are not "highly immoral" in nature... but I suppose that depends on how you define "immoral". Most animals are way cooler than most humans... Hey, I have an idea... lets kill and eat humans who suck... Congress, its whats for dinner