Democracy in Iran

There is no US imperialism in the region.

 

If you are having a hard time with the obvious, maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

And you try to make the US look like a monster for trying to get the story out, and make Iran look like the victim.

Killing the messenger is always easier. Just ask Ahmadinejad.

 

Mmmkay?

 

There is no american imperialists in iran and there should never be.

Maybe america is just mad because they are not in the shanghai cooperation organisation. And will never be, unless they orchestrate a successful coup.

 

I've never once heard the US criticise Saudi Arabia for anything. Now why is that? Home to the Bin Laden Family, public executions, no form of democracy whatsoever...

It's because America has prosperous ties with them.

All America cares about if who is in power, not wjether they were legitimately elected or not. It's very own "democratic" system is testament to that.

 

america+SA has been tight for ahwhile. A long while.

 

Of course you haven't. Just like you haven't seen any evidence the elections are rigged. You don't look for things you don't want to find.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4305677.stm

What is the bin Laden family guilty of?

No kidding. Saudi Arabia is a cruel medieval regime. However, there is no democratic opposition for us to support and their role as a major oil producer and their vital role in the war on terror give us very little leverage.

As I said before, there are two rapists. Is it hypocritical to arrest only one if you can't catch both?

In WW II we supported Stalin who, in my mind, was pretty much as evil as Hitler. But we couldn't take them both on, and Hitler at the time was the bigger threat. Were we hypocrites? Were we unfair to Hitler?

America is not "democratic", it is democratic.

 

They still like the colour of their money though, don't they.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/washington/28weapons.html

I don't know. Why were they flown out of America in the days following 9/11, when all other commercial flights were grounded?

Why do you need an opposition party to support before you impose trade sanctions on a rogue state?

Why can we only catch one? Do you think we can just waltz in and arrest Ahmedinejad? Arrest him for what exactly? What has he done that is so bad apart from telling the west to go and mind it's own affairs?

Shall we arrest Bush and Cheney as well while we are at it? Who would we get to arrest them, they seem to be above any kind of law themselves.

You are seriously deluded if you believe that.

 

Yep.

They weren't.

Because we don't want the current regime replaced by something worse.

I'm not proposing to have him arrested. Its just an example.

Were you opposed to any criticism of apartheid? I think you evaded that question last time I asked because it was inconvenient and you couldn't answer without looking bad. The same reason you ignore a lot of my points.

You are deluded if you don't.

 

What the fuck does "wanna be activist" mean?

I want to be an activist but I haven't got the balls, or I am too stupid and deluded to be anything as effective a revolutionary as Che Guevara?

I just want to know.

I don't want to change the world, I'm just look for a new Scotland...

Anyway, if you guys spent more time presenting an argument than stereotyping and insulting people, you never know one of us might even partially agree with some of what you say!

 

Oops looks like you "forgot" to answer my apartheid question again.

 

Yep.

Sorry about that.

Remind me.

 

Crap. I forgot.

 

Damn. Was really looking forward to it.

 

Oh well.

How about reading this instead?

Clerical Leaders Defy Ayatollah on Iran Election

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOhSKGvt37Q

 

Yeah, Gordon Brown is not my prime minister either.

 

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I do realise that it can be difficult thats ones conceptions are challenged by events.

That in Iran, a peaceful islamic state, under great threat from The U.S. and its NATO allies, who challenge its soverign right to develop peaceful nuclear power; might actually be ruled by a thuggish junta intent on supressing the most basic human rights of its citizens. An Islamo-Mafia which has choked of its own economy by folly and theft and seeks to divert the legitimate concerns of its citizens by sabre rattling against Isreal, and corrupt Western mores.

If the news and the media appear untrustworthy, then why not speak with an Iranian, there are thousands and thousands of them in California. So many that it has become television clich'e.

Perhaps a first person story of Persian brutalization and theft at the hands of Islamic Guards will ring true; of forced flight and re-settlememt in a strange and hostile land.

The Iranians are normal people just like us who want the same things as us: the freedom to dress in style, to listen to the music of our choice, to discuss current events honestly and un-guardedly. To read freely.

The current protests in Iran have nothing to do the US and everything to do with the fact that people are tired of the thugs and thier worn out propoganda. Americans flatter themselves when they declare that The Iranian Freedom Movement is about US diplomatic aims or an American Quisling who is running for office there. Give Persians some credit of thier own who stand up to tyrany.