existentialism and fatalism

Discussion in 'Existentialism' started by Deranged, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    posted this in another thread, but i thought i'd give it it's own. anyway, what are your thoughts on this:

    what if fatalism and existentialism could exist simultaneously? that being said, with a complex enough god, an individual could have that free will junk, but it'd still be simple enough to be completely controlled in a sense that its inner workings denote what it will do. like if you were omniscient and omnipotent, you'd know the exact activity of every atom, of every electron, of every q-thingy, of every neuron and be able to predict by way of physics and biology every last thing that'll happen in the universe to the exact detail. and if you create this entire complex world down to the most minute detail, you can be in complete control of everything that will ever happen, while never having to move a finger after creation.

    is it theoretically possible for fatalism and existentialism to coexist?
     
  2. Stabby

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    You wouldn't have free will. You would know what you were going to do before you did it, but be powerless to act differently. You certainly wouldn't be an existentialist because you wouldn't need a way to cope with uncertainty and meaninglessness anymore.
     
  3. White Feather

    White Feather Senior Member

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    I think that most would say that existentialism leads directly to fatalism, at least as espoused by Nietzsche. Buddhism does not espouse fatalism.
     
  4. Stabby

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    How?
     
  5. Deranged

    Deranged Senor Member

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    you wouldn't know, but your being's simplistic nature would make it scientifically predictable to a higher being what that level of cognition or whatnot. someone that essentially could memorize all physics, biology, and chemistry principles ever to be discovered and know the exact placement of every single atom in the universe.

    you would have free will, but your actions would almost be predetermined by a combination of who you are the circumstances you're in. kinda like how you sorta know how a close friend would react in certain situations, but to the nth degree.
     
  6. Stabby

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    Some existentialists believe that everything is predetermined, however we don't know what will happen in the future. Existentialism is a pragmatic philosophy, and such a belief doesn't cause any change in their daily actions or behaviour and doesn't eliminate the need for existential thinking. So it's treated as more of an irrelevant reality than an ethical influence.
     
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