California backs gay marriage ban

I'll stop there, but my point is you can never really be sure of that with anyone.

And its really what this argument and any anti gay thing is all about, everyone pretending there is just gay or straight so we dont have to worry about what is in between. Gay at least, usually is a lot more indentifiable, bi is a lot harder to see and a lot more sneakier

 

I think alll I have to say is: I'm with you too, def zeppelin.
Not in a gay way, though.

 

Thanks. It could have gotten ugly. I know you never really know.
But, my parents have been married for a very long time.
I reckon my mum would have realised if he was attracted to other men.

I don't think so.
Unless that is a man or a woman wish to get married to two people of differing sexes, that is.

 

Aww too bad, j/k

 

Just jumping in here for distraction...

It's hard enough for two people to get along and actually stay married for any length of time. Too many people get married for all the wrong reasons (mostly sex), to the point where marriage just ain't worth much these days already.

I believe that if two people really LOVE each other, so much that they WANT to get married, then LET them! I know lots of "gay" guys, find them to be some of my most awesome friends! One gay couple I know has been together for 38 years!!! Now, if they wanted to get married, far be it from me to tell them they can't. Ever hear of sex discrimination?

 

Well, thats another Santa Claus moment, working out what the girls knew all along. It doesnt matter how many times a guy says out loud he's 100% straight, or he hates fags or he's not in the least bit interested. If the wife or girlfriend catches him looking at certain guys in a way he really shouldnt well then she just continues to let him leave cookies out for Santa.

Its all there especially in that initial reaction, that first couple of seconds when you first meet someone, no one can mask that initial look.

And we know, the straightest guys are those that dont react when they first meet the hottest guys. The gayest guys are those that dont react when they first meet the hottest girls

 

I touched a gay last night.

 

When the tax and civil codes reads legal union and filing jointly then marriage will be a purely a faith based question.

 

The legal argument is about civil rights. If gays wish to marry or commit then they should receive the same social benefits as christian heterosexuals. It's that simple actually. It doesn't try to make your wife out as a man or your husband a woman, it only seeks to give the same tax and legal benefits to two people who seek to commit to each other. Why shouldn't any two people that wish to commit to each other and their families be granted the same benefits under tax and legal codes?

 

They should.

But some people believe marriage was traditionally a holy institution and was sacred, or blah, blah, blah. Even though over half of hetero marriages end in a divorce. Plus you know, marriages were never traditionally a sacred institution, they were a political and financial arrangement, and they still are in many parts of the globe.

See, it's kind of a flop argument to say that marriages are different that a gay marriage. Because marriage has very little to do with religion and all about entitlement to civil rights in the modern today.

 

I am a California native. I used to be proud of state that set trends and lead the civil rights discussion. Today we now have a Governator, a deficit and the fanatical right. Not the state I grew up in. I wonder why that is?

Who would have thought Iowa and the eastern seaboard would be more progressive and forward thinking.

The Mamas and Papas wouldn't have their California Dreaming song today.

 

Better smoke 'em out!

 

I know and I agree with you.

I really wished people stopped assuming things about me.

 

Stop poking gay people

 

smoke em' out, smoke em' out, alllll out!

 

(Why do you have a skull in your avatar?)

 

Supposed to be an example of divine comedy. A smiling skull, because its creator knows what will come one day.