Church people...

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Why do you assume fornication, cheating, lying, and disloyalty are negative attributes or actions?

'Christians' are not Christians. There may have been a guy named Jesus and then there was everyone who distorted his apparent message.

'Christians', in there self righteous mindset, will attempt to spread their guilt to you. Do not compare yourself to a Christian, they are immoral, worse they are irrational.

 

That is pretty generalised but i can see how some people that call themselves christians could make you come to this conclusion. Fear not, however, we are NOT all like that. Christians were given Gods message in the Bible. As imperfect beings, we have read it and some people may have interpreted it incorrectly....We are prone to human error. However, we have the ability to pray and ask that we interpret in the correct way. Also, we have the ability to pray against false teachings and teachers.
What i dont understand about your post is the part about us offloading our guilt on to you. We were all born with guilt. People who have met christ and have a relationship with him have had their guilt taken away. I out it to you that we haven't offloaded our guilt on to you but you have simply been made more aware of your own guilt.

I am not immoral and I am not irrational. I am a believer of Jesus. Don't judge me before you judge yourself.
Much love, Roly.xxx

 

No No roly. You can't tell him not to generalize. If he stoped doing that then things might make sence. If he is goign to generalize christians, he has to generalize everyone else. Wich means in his mind, all black people drink coolaid and are in gangs. All white people live in trailors and marry their cousin. All hispanic people illegaly crossed the border and live in one house with 50 relatives.

In reality, he is just making excuses for the things he doesnt understand.

 

its sad, but you guys are right. A lot of people think that they are christians for just having some vague belief in God or angels..it doesnt work that way. and those people give Christians a bad name..cuz I believe people SHOULD be able to clearly see what we believe in through our action. That doesnt mean we are perfect and never screw up..but you are right..there should be a willingness to live a christian life. and same goes to church..Just cuz you go to church doesnt make you a christian either.you can sit on the front pew every sunday your whole life and not be saved.

 

If anything I am generalizing theists, or perhaps more broadly, those who adhere to dogma of any sort without actual subjective valuation.

Your God gave you the ability to pray. Prayer has a similar effectiveness as does your god. None.

 

Prayer is more powerful than any form of human medicine. As is God. I can do anything with Him. Jesus didn't only die for my sins, He also died for yours. God is real, where as your thesis isn't.

 

How dare you say that these things have no effect. HOw can u stupidly say that things we have felt for real haven't happened...you can't argue with peoples experience. You can not say what we have testified as true is wrong. Your arguements and generalisations are pretty weak...go find evidence of your arguement...we have ours...it is US.

much love, Roly.xxx

 

Amen to that

 

tee hee bandit....you always make me smile...ur great

 

I have pitty for you guys.

 

Thankyou. And for that you will be in my prayers. Hell, I'll pray for you if you cuss me. As a matter of fact, I'll just pray for ya anyways.

Dear Lord,

Thankyou for my life. Thankyou for the blessings in my life. Thankyou for loving me and watching over me.

I come to you to pray for this person I have never met. I pray for this person because they do not know the glory wich is You. They do not understand my relationship with you. I understand no man is perfect. Please in your works reveal yourself to this person be it through the internet, television, mail, another person he knows, or something that is hapening in their life. I pray that you would forgive this person for their hatred. I pray that you will soften their hearts. I know you can not make them believe. I know you will not be tested. I am just here to pray that something will happen in their life that will cause them to see You for who You are.

Thankyou Lord for this day. Thankyou Lord for this medium. I praise you.

In Jesus name I pray. Amen.

 

I will join you in that prayer.

 

Amen

 

I would not resent your prayer offering if it was not clear to me that it was a function of your ego.

I have not hate. Hate is useless. I have pity for those who are blinded by false deities. I have sympathy for those who allow an artificial concept to rule their entire life. I feel sorry for you because you will waste your life, as have so many others, in the pursuit of a goal that is impossible. You place the afterlife above this one.

I implore you, for one day, relinquish the hold this God has on you. Look at the world, observe its beauty, its possiblity and realize you can experience it all. Realize there is no imaginary source of this beauty. Its beauty is IN ITSELF, its beauty is your subsequent perception of this beauty in itself. Do not kill because your God deems such an act immoral, do not kill because YOU believe such an would be immoral. Realize everything is explainable through reason. Realize this reason is not bland, it is not dull, it is magnifiscent. The beauty, the emotions, everything you experience is wonderful because it is wonderful in itself, not through divine creation.

 

I feel bad for you. You have no idea about God. If you would open yourself to God you would see for yourself how awesome He is. I follow God because He is awesome, not because I need to be taught morals. I follow Him because He is the reason for my life. I live my life for Him. I pity you because you are wasting your life without Him. Never the less, Jesus died for even you.

 

Sorry, you have not shown me anything that I am missing in not having faith in Christ. Your arguments are based on week interpretations of life and misunderstandings of the truth. Preach somewhere else.

 

I accepted God and Jesus and the whole bunch for around 15 years, until I began to think.

Reason is the enemy of theism. Bandit28 has convinced me of that. But please elaborate on how my arguments are based on "weak interpretations of life and misunderstandings of truth." It is rude to accuse someone of something like that without stating your reasoning (if you have any).

 

The studies I have read that scientists have done regarding prayer show it to be quite effective. One done in Korea with pregnant women who did not know they were being prayed for was very conclusive, and showed that they had far better outcomes than the control group.

 

Okay. Consider God's hold on me relinquished. Hey! There are no absolute morals! Alright... now I can steal from starving families women, murder and rape with impunity, and even if I am caught, I have done NOTHING WRONG!! This is great! I am not morally culpable so long as I do not act against my own beliefs regarding what is right!!! Oh yeah, and there is NO such thing as beauty. The world is a dark and dismal place and beauty is just a fragile construction of the pathetic human mind. We are, after all, only animals and generally stupid animals at that. Beauty doesn't exist because it cannot be quanitified or experienced with the five senses. Show me beauty, not an item or object that IS beautiful, but actual beauty itself. You can't. So no, the world is not beautiful... you are just wrong.

End rant...

Hmm... no Thumontico, I do not think that the world would be better if I reliquished God. And you still cannot show how reason dictates that there is no God.

You are correct, though, everything IS explainable through reason. However, only with a belief in God can you substantiate that claim. If God exists and is logical, then we can expect the universe to follow a logical order. If logic is a creation of the human mind, then there will be things that do not follow a "logical" order and thus are NOT explainable through reason. So, how do you justify the statement "everything is explainable through reason" when you MUST believe that reason was created by humanity and therefore it is likely that there are plenty of places that it doesn't apply?