HAve you seen that mac v. PC commercial with the small writing?

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4908759


MACS HAVE PROBLEMS TOO!

mac let out a patch that bricked the "superdrives" for pretty much everybody.

now, seriously. when was the last time windows did that?

or linux?

 

That Mac guy is arrogant. The windows guy at least is able to laugh at his own faults.

 

I more meant this to be a slam on the mac commercials than a serious computer discussion.

 

So what? Now you're going to troll this forum?

 

You're bitching about something that happened two years ago and affected maybe 10 people?

 

I love how they say macs don't have viruses, makes me cringe every time I hear that on the commercials.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517610,00.html

 

Well, it's still true that PC users have to devote 1000 times more energy to fighting malware, spyware, and viruses than Mac users do.

 

There is no doubt about that, however if Mac were the more popular of the two brands they would have the same problem. Mac can get viruses just like PCs there us nothing superior about the programming, they just aren't as popular.

 

You sir are wrong. Very wrong in many ways. All you did in your post is repeat something someone else has said. It is the easy way for you to tell us that you don't know what you're talking about.

I'm not some Mac fanatic. I like Macs, but prefer Linux over anything. However, I do know OS X is superior to anything ever released by Microsoft. FYI, I have a non-biased education in info tech and computer science.

If Macs were 85% of the desktop/laptop market and Windows were 10%, Windows would still have 99% of the viruses. If you had any idea what you were talking about, you wouldn't have repeated some trendy garbage that is the result of propaganda and assumptions.

It is very hard to make a virus that can infect a user with OS X. I'm referring to the real world, not intentional infections performed in labs. I bet you've never even owned a Mac with OS X 10.4+. Get real and research the facts before preaching.

 

About the Original Post:
Those Mac commercials are always so misleading and full of shit. Apple is the most evil company in electronics.

Programmers are a very adaptable group, you can't seriously believe that if Macs were the computer of choice - a way would not be found.

I mean, by your argument, that the number of viruses are proportional to the OS's protection - Linux should have more viruses than Windows - or at least an even amount (as at it's base, Linux is by far less secure than either).
There are a lot of factors that go into virus making - one of which is reaching the most computers possible - therefore, the most common OS is going to be target number one.

I don't disagree that Macs are more secure than Windows - but if Mac and Windows's popularity were switched - there is no way in hell Mac would have less of a market for viruses and SPAM.

 

It's not just about programmers buddy.

Steve Jobs chose the components of the OS X operating system very carefully from existing OSes. He picked the most secure system components available: BSD and the Mach kernel. Then he adapted an interface based on NextStep, now known as Cocoa.

If you have any non-biased background knowledge in operating systems, you would already know that BSD is THE MOST SECURE OS available. Look it up and tell me the last time an exploit was found in a non-generic BSD subsystem (beside what the BSD devs look for, pre-emptively).

Don't believe me? Then tell me why Cisco systems chose BSD, Unix, and Linux for their enterprise networking equipment? How about explaining why BSD, Unix, and Linux were chose for the DNS servers with 99.999999999999999% uptime? Why is it all of the worlds most important systems use BSD, Unix, or Linux??
Answer: Because no matter what happens, these are the most secure operating systems known to man.

Virus counts are NOT proportional to the number of users. It is very very very hard to install a virus in OS X or Unix/Linux. It is very very easy to install a virus on any Windows-based system. Need I explain why???

In OS X, Unix, and Linux, you cannot get a system-wide virus unless you log in as the super user and explicitely install it. This involves downloading an infected file, logging on as super user, then changing it's permisions to execute, then explicitely executing the file. What I'm saying is, you will not get a virus from a flash file, mp3, webpage, pop-up, or simply by browsing the web.

In Windows, you don't need to be the admin/super user to get a system-wide virus. All you have to do is browse MySpace or go to a Forum. Windows will gladly execute any file linked from an ad without your knowledge. Yes, Windows execute stuff as admin, in the background, without your permission. This is just one example of an exploit. There are so many others. In Windows, viruses multiply. Thus you must run virus scanners ALL the time. It's sad because viruses are released and active much faster than devs can update the scanners.

 

If this is true, then I suppose you are right. Honestly, I really am not that familiar with Mac OS.

 

That's true of most people who rag on it, IMHO. Mac OS X is way better than Vista. I'm pretty sure I will never buy another PC as long as I live.

 

... Vista is terrible, that's not a fair comparison at all - even Microsoft admits it's terrible, why else is Windows 7 being rushed?

Anyways, I don't know of many people that rag on Mac OS at all, except for the layout. I hate Apple as a company and the vast majority of Mac users who think 'it's way better for ___ editing' just because it comes with better programs.
And PS Mac IS a pc, they just don't call it one.

 

a mod moved the post, thank you VERY much.

if I were trying to troll this forum I would do something much better.

and to sunfighter, the 2.1 glitch affected a great many mac owners.

 

I didn't know this thread (?) was moved from somewhere else. It's in a good place, although I guess the discussion went from 0-100 in 9-10 posts. lol it's still good to debate and see where things stand. cheers :cheers2:

 

Well, maybe, but for you to have to go back two years to find some obscure problem that didn't make the headlines kinda proves the point that not much goes wrong with Macs compared to PCs.

 

I was making a joke in RT, about something SUPER widespread I found when trying to find out why my friend's superdrive went down AGAIN.

you don't have to go back a long time for any of this

any first gen apple product has MASSIVE flaws because they always rush it and let the consumer work it out, and if you don't get it fixed under warranty, tough break kid.

 

Either way, I dont like a seemingly condesending company. Have respect for your enemy.

And I choose linux, because it's built well, and I like to learn.

 

You proved nothing to support your earlier statement. If Macs were the PCs of choice they still wouldn't have as many viruses as a MS system. You just proved they would be harder to execute, which I don't disagree with you on. However, that doesn't mean it isn't possible which means overtime (especially if Macs were 90% of the market) people would find exploits and abuse them sense obviously they would have more time and more man power to find them. Seriously, if programmers what to hack something it's only a matter of time (minus a few military systems) which you should have learn by now if you're taking IT courses.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?