Survival of the Fittest

Discussion in 'People' started by FNA, Nov 5, 2004.

  1. FNA

    FNA Member

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    While I think that government programs designed to help the less fortunate, and things like healthcare are important things to us as a society, I can't help but feel that we're weakening ourselves through it.

    Nature's intent is that the strong pray on the weak, and the weak must perish. That's how we evolved into a people, and that's how life has always been. Wasting time on stem cell research for people who are essentially useless, and trying to make everything equal is a contradictory to our natural state, and just holds us back from truly becoming a great race. Nor do I think it could ever work. Trying to change the laws of nature is inevitably futile. She will win in the end, and it's foolish to think we can cheat her....

    Do I sound like Hitler?
     
  2. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    I had though of such before, but evolution has not ended... Merely changed strategies... :rolleyes: Rather than survival of the fittest, it's survival of the succesful... :rolleyes:
     
  3. backtothelab

    backtothelab Senior Member

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    Exactly. All this "technology" is just going to end up biting us in the ass. We've been seperated from nature for so long, we're gonna be screwed when the crunch comes. Just too damn complicated.

    Not really, except for the "truly great race" thing.
     
  4. FNA

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    Oh, when I said race, I meant human race.
     
  5. FreakyJoeMan

    FreakyJoeMan 100% Batshit Insane

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    Soulless Chaos's correct. The paradigm is no longer how healthy you are, it's how well off you are in society. Actual natrual selection has nothing to do with it.
     
  6. Flashback

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    Yeah,you do sound like Hitler and his Master race crap.So called "inferior" people have actually contributed a lot to the improvement of society.The survival of the fittest argument is not new and lead to the idea of eliminating anyone deemed to fall below some standard.
     
  7. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    Haha yes, it's called eugenics... The nazis borrowed the idea from america back in the day... :rolleyes:
     
  8. FNA

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    OK, but you can't say that someone with, say, down syndrome (for example, don't go nuts), but someone who is born with a mental deficiency, who needs to be taken care of for their entire lives can contribute to society more than they are a drain on society? How about people who are brain dead vegetables in the hospital? Our tax dollars keep them alive through health care. Yes, there are specific circumstances where people have contributed well, but did they make up for it?


    Anyway, society is an unnatural invention of people and I think nature will reclaim the thrown whether we like it or not.

    Just a thought, don't get mad............
     
  9. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    Of course it could be argued, that 'inferior' people have not contributed to society, as their lack of contribution is what labels them inferior.
     
  10. Ash_Freakstreet

    Ash_Freakstreet Hmm.... GROOVY!

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    keep in mind that evolution does not have any goals... it only has methods. Evolution is not "destined" to produce the best possible world. So we cannot always assume that the world in which evolution is allowed to proceed freely, will be the best possible of all worlds. Evolution may or may not optimize ultility in the long run. To use a term for mathematics, evolution only seeks the nearest relative maximum (climbs the little hill) and once it gets to the top, it refuses to come down. There might be bigger hills out there.
     
  11. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    Yep, evolution does only what's best, in it's current enviroment... :rolleyes:
     
  12. Strawberry_Fields_Fo

    Strawberry_Fields_Fo RN

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    Society was not invented by humans. Humans are social creatures, so we naturally want to live and work with other people. The reason we have so many different societies and cultures is because our population grew and expanded all over the earth.

    As for disabled people and the like, I think you are missing the point. If you believe in nature, than how do you explain a general sense of compassion brought out by people? If compassion is in our nature (compassion being the drive by "normal" people to take care of people who don't contribute to society through no fault of their own), than we must respect it as such and keep disabled people alive. If compassion is not in our nature, can you honestly say that it is not a trait that has benefited us? And if it is a trait that is beneficial to us, then, by the laws of evolution, shouldn't we keep it?

    Just a thought...

    -Kate
     
  13. God

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    No, you sound like Nietzsche.
     
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