JWH-018 Nightmare

Says the man that keeps upping his DPT doses .
Lol sorry Prone, but c,mon. Someone has to be first.
I do agree that it's cases somewhat like this one that will make chemicals such as this one scheduled/tested for.
I do believe this guy handled it well for going to the hospital.
Even though going there was probably not the best idea.

 

The first thing I came across looking up JWH was to be aware of the fear. Perhaps this is what you experienced?

 

Very useful advices there, especially considering your DPT consumption.

 

All you people that critizise him for 'destroying the RC scene' or the like should be ashamed of yourselves!
What is the RC scene? It is a community of people, who purchase and use psychoactive substances, with a very short to no history of human use. And it is important to differentiate the term 'community' or 'scene' in this context, because while there are people who are connected to others in this 'scene', there is a great amount of people that act on an individual bases without a connection whatsoever to other researchers. And many would rather want to see someone's life being safed than being able to continue buying drugs on the internet.

So, by saying someone is 'ruining the RC scene' you actually mean he should stop raising attention, so that you can continue buying and using exotic chemicals. Well don't you realize how selfish this is?

But then again OP I have to say that going to hospital is usually only necessary if you have physical health issues which exceed a tolerable limit, e.g. a lifethreating heartbeat or blue limbs. But from what I could gather you were only thinking about dying, which is actually a rather common (side)effect, and by no means really the case. So the hospital could have been avoided, but given the fact that you explained yourself rather reasonably and did not behave completely irrational, I think you can be forgiven

 

Yeah, a lot of that mental stuff was probably negative effects of the high that I could have dealt with otherwise.

Well, if you're a pot smoker, and you don't up your dose as fast as I did, I wouldn't expect a reaction like I did. It's your call completely, it seems that my reaction was in the minority or possibly unique.

Also here is a trip report from bluelight that I somehow missed while searching that forum. He didn't have the loss of motor control that I did, but his night seemed pretty bad.

You'll notice too that he isn't a pot smoker, like me. So I think that's probably a very important part of the equation.

The pot-heads to have taken this stuff looking for a pot replacement/enhancement have been alright. The people like me, who were just trying an RC, had really bad experiences.

Good luck and be safe.

Thanks for the support.

I agree about the physical stuff, and like I've said, I've born out worse pain and worse drug reactions alone and in my bedroom. The fear and the mental aspects of it, I could have handled. I know I could have. The reason I went to the hospital was the loss of motor control. I don't think I have described how unable I was to control my limbs; I wasn't just "dizzy," or humerously "high." Believe me I've been there. After the memory loss subsided, I was completely lucid memory, but have nearly uncontrolable spasms/convulsions in my limbs and head, so much so that 2 days later my muscles are still aching from it. Once I got into that unknown, I knew I needed to at least get somewhere other than my bedroom, you know?

 

To the op - fuck you. Why? You tripped on an rc without a tripsitter and keep your stash in your pocket and handed it to the doc? Next time, get a tripsitter that couls calm you down and not having to go to the hospital because of a bad trip. Idiots like yourself screw it for all the responsible rc users.

 

Honestly, I have told all of my friends that if I start freaking out on a psychedelic, give me a xanax, and if i start to die. Let my ass die. Throw me in the fucking back yard and just wait for it to be done.. Hospitals are a bad idea. especially considering that your trip to the hospital accomplished nothing except now your local hospital and police department know that kids are buying synthetic cannabinoids online, id say you were better off just relaxing, takin a trip killer, drinkin some water, maybe purging, and just getting the fuck over it.

 

Seriously, has anyone read anything I've said? Besides, calling a drug that's supposed to emulate cannabis a "trip" makes about as much sense as the people to talk about being "tripped the fuck out" on codeine.

What part of the police department not being involved, and conversations between patients and doctors being legally privileged is escaping you? It's quite easy for you to say, now, in hindsight, that I could have waited it out. I can say that too, now, but I had no basis for that assurance then, nor does anyone in regards to this chem. You think being found dead in the back yard won't draw attention to the RC market?

That's great that you're suicidal, but it's quite foolish to expect everyone to be on your behalf. Seriously, You people are talking about "responsible RC use" but you'd rather both a) risk death before exposure and b) run the risk of the high exposure your death would cause? I cannot think of a more irresponsible course of action.


I understand the concern, the idea that I might draw attention to the big secret, but believe me, I made the right choice. I had no idea how far the negative effects were going to go, so I had to assume the worst. By going to the hospital, on my own, I was able to control the exposure of the chemical to a few legally privileged conversations. Had my reaction progressed, beyond that, had I had seizures or lost consciousness and was found by my roommates and ambulances involved, that had a much higher risk of causing bad exposure than getting a ride to the ER and being honest with a doctor.

As for anyone suggesting that I was just acting like someone who smoked too much pot, well that's making the same mistake I made that led me down this path. JWH-018 is not THC. It's barely analogous. I was careless because an underlying thought process of "people smoke a lot of pot all the time and are fine, so this will be fine too." There have been no human clinical trials of this chemical, no LD50 studies, it's completely open ground. Had I just ate a pot brownie that was too strong, I would have had the intellectual knowledge that I was using a chemical that I could not kill myself with. I've been there before with other drugs, and pulled through without an ER visit. I didn't know then, nor does anyone know what too much of some of these chemicals can do. For the record, I'm still experiencing, though to a much lesser degree, some of the nasty physical side effects that I had a few nights ago. Burning feeling around me head, involuntary arm/leg movements, and serious mental clouding in spats.

So please, let's not make this into a pissing contest or a joke about some newbie freak out, because that's not what it was. I just want to discuss the nature of the experience, acknowledge where I made my mistakes, and hopefully provide some information. That's all.

 

While I don't think the OP was at any risk of death, and was just having a panic attack, I think it is over kill to take death as an acceptable alternative to informing the hospital that you are on a synthetic cannabinoid. JWH-XXX has already been in international news a few times. The local PD has 0 jurisdiction over it and DEA already knows about it (not that they have jurisdiction, because it is totally legal anyways).

Scene can take care of itself. OP made a stupid choice in that he used more than he could handle and didn't take a test dose first. But really if a single person (or even everyone in the world) going to hospital over JWH is enough to kill the scene, then the scene deserves to die anyways. Security by obscurity is flawed security is the first rule of security systems.

Also LOL at the big secret. We are discussing this on a public forum. RC vendors are secret from nobody. The fact that there are still RC vendors etc, is not because it is a well kept secret. It is because the vendors are either in super good jurisdictions (neterlands, used to be china) or because they are using security techniques out the wazoo (WiFi and Tor + gloves and fake return address will keep 99% of vendors safe, encryption is good too but thats more for the customers security).

If OP showed doctor the website or email address of vendor he bought the shit from that would be a slightly different story, and dude would be a snitch (but guess what: scene can stay strong even if it is full of snitches anyways). But imo he just made a stupid mistake, no need to stone him to death (seems he can manage that on his own ;-P )

if he put anyone at risk it was himself.

 

Ya know this isn't all that crazy of an excuse. Weed gives a lot of people panic attacks. My 2nd or 3rd time smoking 3 of us smoked 7 grams (not each) and afterwards time slowed to a fucking dead stop and I thought I was possessed and was freaking the fuck OUT. biggest freak out i've ever had on any drug. I've never really freaked out on any other drug. I've been swept off my feet by how fucked up I was, but not freakin out like that one time. This kid I used to hang out with has had to go to the hospital several times from weed induced panic attacks.

 

All this hate on somebody informing others about an adverse reaction to a substance. Leave the poor guy alone. I'm sure we all think "I wouldn't go to the hospital if i had a bad reaction, fuck that shit.", but when you're in the position of potentially dying while keeping the "RC Scene" safe, or going to the hospital and telling a doctor you've ingested a substance (one the government already knows about, that whole Spice Gold incident), I'm guessing you'd all go to the hospital.
5mg orally or even 6mg orally doesn't make him a dosing-pioneer either, I know people that've done that much and have been fine. Spread knowledge not hate.

 

here here, I'm assuming that doctor would have contacted a narcotics agent who would have said something along the lines of 'yes we are trying to deal with the situation' actually one way to deal with the whole situation would be to set up scam sites, don't even bother prosecuting people just piss everyone off about getting ripped off that people forget about the scene

 

or they could wise up and stop pouring money down the toilet for a futile cause



....a guy can dream cant he?

 

Haha, indeed you can my friend. This whole drug war is getting old fast....well it has been for a while now...

 

scam's make money tho

 

livin in a country where we'll keep bailing out businesses that can't survive.. suuurrrrrrre.. i can see drug prohibition being a thing of the past in months to come

 

what about the fact that people will be manufacturing drugs in record numbers, imagine all the industrial grade lab equipment thats going under the hammer atm.

 

Im sorry for being negative but I feel its necessary. Nothing good comes from going to the hospital during a "bad experience". Im sure you were far from death, but its understandable for you to feel the way you did. Im only a dick about this because I went through a situation like yours. The person didnt CHOOSE to go the hospital, but he had to, and it was a complete waste and it resulted in psychological issues. Long story short, me and a friend took some bangin acid a few years back, it was really intense, and he starting looping, walking in circles repeating the same sentences over and over. The neighbors called the cops, and I had to talk to them while I was on the same dose he was. They strapped him up and took him to the hospital. Not the kind of enviroment you want to be in during a bad experience.

 

Yeah, I definitely have that "dodged a bullet" feeling.

Just for the record since it has come up, I didn't give anyone the name of my source. The cops weren't involved at all, but if they were, I wouldn't have given them any information, I'm a pretty rabid libertarian and I don't just abdicate my rights, and wouldn't to save my ass. Besides, I take full responsibility, assuming that my source actually shipped me the chem I thought I was taking.

(That was another thought: what if what I just took was not the chemical I paid for? It's all still a sketchy business, and it's possible that what I ate was not jwh-018, bt just some unknown poison? I don't think so now, but it definitely crossed my mind when things went downhill.)

Also, I had done a 1mg test run the week before. This issue wasn't the lack of a test run, just that I stepped it up way to quickly.

There seems to be an assumption here that I'm not understanding. The doctor had no interest in getting me in trouble, that's not a doctor's job. He wanted to get me the proper care, which he can't do without accurate information. I don't see why people think doctors are out to report people to the police? When I was leaving my doctor said, "I really don't understand, why don't you just smoke pot next time, alright?" He contacted poison control to see if he should run any more tests, but that was it.

If I had been doing something illegal, and had he been obligated to call the police, then I would have cooperated with him, and not with the police. Simple.

Believe me I dreamed of a country without the War On Drugs years before I ever decided to do drugs.

 

Just curious, did he gave your JWH back or did he keep it? If he kept it, what do you think they did with it? Discard it?