Is it time to Destroy the Islamic World?

That killing was condemned by the Muslim community at large
ha ha ha ha

I remember the rushdie affair and western muslims learned from it, and the negitive pr they got when people could see that they wanted to kill someone for writing a book.

This is what you do you want critics dead or to scared to operate, but you want the majority of non muslims not to realise that the sort of support these kind of actions have.

so what you do is someone gives a fatwa to a assassin and then you have some talking head who comes on the tv and says this as nothing to do with islam

its a bit like hitler saying that the night of broken glass where the nazis attacked all the jews was just some hot heads and had nothing to do with the nazi party .

read the rise and fall of the third reich

my answer is no more appeasement real debate on tv and the media maybe containment certainly not what we have now with our governments telling us that islam is peaceful and means us no harm

http://faithfreedom.org

 

also notice how the killing was timed so that it wouldnt be really big news because of the us elections
also notice how britain is bringing laws that would make films like his illegal anyway without people going to the trouble of murder

 

Its funny how people 'Theorise' with 'good intentions' without acknowledging cold hard and current reality.
We ALREADY tried to simply 'ignore' it away.. then sorta.. 'hope they see us being nice'.. and then we 'agreed to leave them alone'....etc etc

Then they kept slaughtering innocent people in American Embassies (including many innocent African Muslims!)

Then the US pulled out of Somalia and said "ok.. hey guys we will leave you alone".. and more and more Westerners were killed.

In case anyone missed it - these Jihadists slaughtered 4 plane loads of men women and children..
.. Then crushed, exploded and burnt to death 3,000 Americans..
.. Oh.. and destroyed a wing in the Pentagon and killed many of your leaders.
(burnt many of them to death to).

Worse yet ... they decided a great idea would be to shoot small children in the stomach after starving them in a school gymnasium.

So my question is this: Just 'hoping' they see us as 'nice guys' - how did that work for us?

Just how exactly did that work for the Third Reich when many nations decided to 'Appease' Hitler and just 'hope they solve it themselves'.

Say what you want about Bush jr. but since Afghanistan was counter-attacked - there havent been anymore Taliban related Terrorist acts on the West.
- I notice Iraq hasnt invaded the Peaceful Kuwaitees anymore?

So logically and for purposes of saving lives - wouldnt it be a good idea to counter-attack Chechnya, Syria and even Indonesia?

Just remove those Governments and their supporters wholesale?

 

That about says it. We in the West tend to be quite naive when it comes to Islam. The common Muslim is just as ignorant and narrow minded as the common Christian, and just because a few learned Muslims express condemnation of such an attack, doesn't mean that the common Muslim feels the same way.

I don't like Bush, I disagree with the war in Iraq, and I can't stand the hypocracy that is America; but when it comes down to it, I know none of this matters to the average Islamic fundamentalist, and that I could just as easily be a target for one of their terrorist stunts.

 

i would think

hope it happens,.,,

how can we make it happen ?

we should find a way!

 

Yes, I agree the world would be a better and safer place if everyone stopped warring.
unfortunately, Al Quaida has declared war.

So, lets discuss who is for killing, war and violence?

HOw about people that oppose attacking The Taliban and Saddam?

 

Actually the root causes go way back, and the Western Word has been far from just in dealing with the people of the Middle East. The causes are complex and not of our making, but now we're stuck with it. I think now that Bush has been re-elected things can only get worse; I think that this will increasingly become the Holy War between Christianity and Islam that he and Osama both seem to crave, and that it will eventually lead to World War Three.

 

You know what I think is quite amazing (if you really think about it).....

... A Caravan of Muslim Evangelicals could realistically criss-cross the USA, Canada, the UK and receive mostly positive attention, the protection of the law and I would wager very little negativity. (and certainly a lot of positive accolades).

Absolutely NO government in the west would impede a single mile of their quest and in fact would vigilantly secure them when needed.

A Caravan of Christian Evangelists would be LUCKY if they made it more than 10 miles past the Syrian border before being vandalised.
Less than 20 feet over the Iranian border before Iranian officials had them executed.

Its unlikely that no matter how peaceful and gentle the Christian Evangelists were - they would not make it through one single 'Islamic Nation' in one piece.

This must absolutely TERRIFY Muslim Fundamemtalists!?

Emotionally I mean.

 

One good quote deserves another.

Gandhi, "I admire Christ, but not Christians."

 

Syria's most recent census shows that 10% of the population is Christian, which tells me that there must be some reasonable level of tolerance of their faith.

Your conjecture is completely hypothetical, and totally unfounded, based on nothing more than your negative opinions.

 

christians in syria have dhimmini status that means they can exist but they cant teach christianity to muslims that doesnt just apply to christianity its the same for all other religions apart from islam .

and it doesnt just apply to preaching but repairing churchs , building churchs , and as for being able to say anything negitive about mohammed or islam forget it .

most of what we now think of muslim countrys used to be majority christian countrys and through dhimmitude and appeasement and violence and oppression from islam the numbers of christians have gone down .

 

How interesting Johnny, and did you cull that opinion from yet another right wing fundamentalist Christian rumor mag? or perhaps from the ever so accurate rumblings of Mr. Falwell?

Seems however that the briefest of efforts to research Syrian Christianity uncovers a substantial wealth of evidence to the contrary, and from the testimonies of the Christian world itself (those not insulated by the bigotry of redneck fundamentalist extremism in the US that is)...

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0406003.htm

Once again the facts overturn the bigotry that passes for informed opinion in the land of the (supposedly) free, but certainly misinformed!

A further examination of the true rights and freedoms enjoyed by the many Syrian Christian denominations today (under SECULAR baathist rule) is outlined here:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/SYRIAHIS.HTM

 

lickerish Im a british atheist Im not a christian american and Ive lived in the middle east .

and nothing in what youve posted proves anything Ive said to be wrong .

to exist in a majority muslim country these christians have had to accept dhimmi status ,so Im not suprised that they arnt complaining about their treatment .
it would be very dangerous for them to do so .

as you bring up jerry falwell do you remember when he called mohammed a terrorist and he had to give a apology (even though mohammed was a terrorist) because of threats to kill him and more importantly thousands of christians in islamic majority countrys .

did you notice the same thing happened to the president of italy when he said that western civilisation was superior to islamic civilisation again threats where made to italian citizens hostages taken and he had to give a apology .

both falwell and the president of italy were not living in islamic majority countrys think what its like living in a majority islamic country .

 

You clearly have decided to simply latch onto a false paradigm so prevalently regurgitated by our Western media, even the BBC, that all muslim nations are religiously fundamentalistic and religiously intolerant.

Again i point to the evidence which you would rather dismiss than incorporate into your clearly bigotted worldview. Syria is a SECULAR nation, not a religiously governed theocracy and as such there is religious tolerance and freedom.

Your initial argument claimed "...it doesnt just apply to preaching but repairing churchs , building churchs...". This is a lie, pure and simple.

Referring to the second link I provided:

If there is any persecution it arises from specific Muslim fundamentalist groups just as it does from individual bigotted Christian fundamentalist groups in the West (US as well as Europe) (how often the preaching of judgement and hatred of these groups and their penchant for violent action against those they deem "sinners" is overlooked in this rush to point the finger at other cultures), it does not arise from the Syrian state.

I too have spent years travelling and have warm relations with Muslims. Whilst I might not subscribe to their teachings or certain of their cultural mores, I have witnessed enough to know that what you spout is sheer prejudice and misinformation.

 

Muhammed preached that Muslims must treat fellow believers with respect, and fairly deal with them.

 

Haha, exactly pointbreak, finally something we agree on.

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

You'd think

lol

 

You guys are aware there are 'Shaws' (apparently its ShaH)?

There is not 'one' from Iran.

Please re-read the hypothetical example.
Thanks

 

nice cya try toon

 

"Muhammed preached that Muslims must treat fellow believers with respect, and fairly deal with them."

if you read the koran what you need to do is look at when a certain sura was given ,if you do you will notice that there are some tolerant suras but they come from the period when mohammed didnt have a big army to back him up, these early suras have been abrogated and no longer apply

what happens is you will get muslims if they are trying to do missionary work for example or wishing to flim flam you who will qoute these suras that no longer apply,
and if you dont know about abrogation you could well be fooled that islam is a tolerant religion

islam has no respect for other religions the best a religion can hope for if its christianity or judeism is dhimmini status .

look what happened to the buddhas in afganistan the top shrines of christianity in the holy land hindu temples

look at saudi arabia which is the heart of islam and the fact that nothing to do with other religions are allowed inside the country ,

are muslims allowed to leave islam and become members of other religions no
would I be allowed to marry a muslim women no