a new revolution.

we could start it, you and I, we just need some ideas.
so any one got any revolutionary ideas? cause i would love to hear them

 

no ones got any ideas? come on, even your wildest thoughts could lead to something.

 

just in case you don't know what we would be revolting against here is a list.
(im sure im going to miss a few)
war, the reckless spending of our nations funds (bail outs), possible loss of our 1st(freedom of speech/ right for people to peacefully assemble), 2nd(the right to bear arms) and 3rd (the right to not house a solider) amendment rights, a government controlled and monitored internet, 3 years of mandatory military service.. ect..

please dont make me be all alone in this thread...

 

i'm with you man, viva la revolution! what do you think about communism? i say we strive for a communist revolution, it's gonna happen one day when all the workers gain class conciousness

 

Do you really think a revolution is the best option to work on these things? If so, you probably have some kind of an idea what kind of revolution you want yes? Cause just 'a revolution' sounds pretty vague to me.

 

One day there will be a communist revolution, where we throw most if not all of the ways society today works out the window, and start from scratch. We would have direct democracy, where every single person vote counts, no electoral college. There would be no money, but each person would get whatever he or she needs, and each person would help out as much as they could. And once tchnology is more advanced, we will have a fully automated society, where humans will have to work only about 4 hours a day or less for a much shorter time until they reach retirement. People's passions and hobbies will become their work. Society will realize that garbage men are equal to doctors and each person will be treated with respect and dignity. The world will be more communal. There will be no need for police, because once there is no money or possessions, there will no longer be material crimes, but only crimes of passion, and society will police itself. The world will be a much safer beautiful place. Organized religion will no longer hold influence over the masses, but spirituality will be more of an individual practice. There will be a brotherhood of man, a world without wars, where peace and love will reign and greed will be abolished.

 

Only way we will start from scratch will most likely be caused by a third world war or a natural catastrophe.

 

Well when it happens most likely there will need to be a class war, unless somehow there could be a non violent revolution, but i dont see the upperclass giving up their money and power without a fight.

 

unfortunately ideal communism is nothing more than a utopia

 

I don't see a lot of the stuff you say will happen after a communist revolution actually becoming reality. It's indeed nothing but an utopia.

 

i like the idea of starting from scratch but i don't know if communism is the way to go. i think an entirely new system needs to be established, one that allows its people to have the freedoms every human being deserves. as for what type of revolution, a peaceful revolution is obviously the goal.

 

Well obviously what i said is utopian, but it'd be nice to think that one day it could happen if most of the people in the world strive for this to happen ad realize how much better their lives would be in a communist society compared to a capitalist. And also idon't see how we could have a new system which would work better than communism. Ideal communism and anarchism would give every human being the rights he or she deserves. Anarchists and communists goal is for a completely egalalitarian society. You guys should read about anarcho-communism on wikipedia or something.

 

well any ideas on how to reach that goal?

 

the only revolution i'm interested in is an Eco one. if you wanted to get a couple thousand people protest squatting in endangered forests you'd have my attention. IMHO, if we don't start taking aggressive action to save our planet's ecosystems any revolution geared toward changing social structures is just emptying ash trays on the Titanic. no form of utopian society can even begin to arise in a toxic waste dump. there can be no utopia without fresh water to drink, clean air to breath and good soil in which to grow food.

**sings** "you say you want a revoluuution ... well you know ... we'd all love to see the plan."

 

personally i am more worried about our rights and freedoms being stolen from us, rather then our ecosystem (although it is also very important)
and the only reason i started this thread was so i could get some help thinking of a plan/ idea.

 

Yeah, I think lots of people agree with you that a good working communist or anarchist society sounds like an option worth to go for. But the problem with it is that theory is not practice. I don't mean that we shouldn't strive for a better world but a system like this is even harder to keep ideal than our current situation.

And if you don't know what kind of revolution you want what's the point calling for one? And no, a 'peaceful revolution' is still a bit too vague.

 

i dont know what kind of revolution but that doesn't mean that one is unneeded,
a revolution against the people forcing their laws and ideals upon us. what kinds of revolution are there? we need a revolution that will put the people in power and get the politicians out.

 

I recommend starting with one's mind, as in a serious vision quest. From there, living out the vision, whether in a commune or a life in service or a life in seeking or kindness or labor organizing (is there a young socialists forum?) or whatever.

 

So, why are you so sure it has to be a revolution that has to change these things if nobody knows how to use a revolution for this purpose? There are many ways to try to change these things, mostly will take time but perhaps have a change to succeed. Most ideas for revolution are either unrealistic or they aren't really concrete ideas
I think it's just pretty clear it isn't a time for 'a new revolution'... Change maybe (who do I hear now :tongue: ), yes. Revolution? Why, what, how, which, what for, where? If you're calling for revolution please think why and what you want it for in the first place. And be a bit realistic. Otherwise you just sound like a romanticising hippie longing for another couple of 'magical days' of rebellion.

 

Sometimes, there is very little difference between the childish fantasies of a communist utopia mentioned on this site and the propaganda blasted across the DMZ just after the end of the Korean war.

A revolution right now is not only completely implausible, but it would also do far more harm than good. Think about it-- how many of you have the slightest clue about how to solve the world's problems while maintaining the same high standard of living you are currently enjoying? How many of you know someone like this? Or more importantly, how many of you even know what the reality of our current situation is? And I mean the REALITY, not the alarmist media hype.

The truth is, if you can't motivate yourself to get what you want, then you're not going to get it. That's the way the world has always been... and barring some unthinkably radical change in NATURE, that's the way it's always going to be. The strong use the weak to their benefit, and no amount of complaining by the weak is ever going to change that.

If you really want a revolution, try picking up a book, doing some independent research, traveling, taking an active interest in something more specific than some dreamy, infantile notion of a perfect, pastoral Shangrila-- in which, btw, I'm certain very few of you would last more than a month.