Anyone use these guys?

I know folks on here say a fake is like gold, so I was randomly googling to kill time and these folks came up right at the top of the results:

http://www.theidshop.com/

Kind of surprised they're just hanging out there in the open. Are they for real?
Not an RC vendor so I think I'm ok posting the link, I'll kill it if folks have a problem though.

 

Try 'em out let us know.

 

Yeah I dunno, looking at their template for my state and it doesn't look quite right... Maybe that's how they get around the law...

 

you should look into Chinese ID vendors

 

I just found this about theIDshop: http://complaintwire.org/Complaint.aspx/SjlONpvdfQC6TAjJgVqi2w

that sounds promising

 

Nice find white magic, sounds fairly damning

 

Seriously?
Asking if buying fake ids online is legit or not?
In order for that to be legit they'd be taking all kinds of precautions.
Not just blatantly out there (granted some RC sites are easily accessable, that's not straight up illegal).

 

Ok, 99% of fake ID websites are going to do one of the following things:

1. Be LE stings (quite rare as far as I know, but quite possible, especially if they offer passports)

2. Be scammers (EXTREMELY common)

3. Send you a low quality ID that just looks similar to a real ID but upon any close visual inspection will clearly not be legitimate (different but similar background used, different font texts, misspelled state name, stuff like this). I heard from someone very into the ID scene that they do this because the penalty for a fake id is less than the penalty for a counterfeit ID. The people in the ID scene make clear distinctions between fakes and counterfeits. Fakes will probably get you alcohol from a gas station if you are 19 but wont be good for much else, possibly even bars if they scan but prob will work at bars too depending on where you live.

4. Send you a low quality ID that actually has NOVELTY stamped on it in red. I hear this is actually semi-common for ID vendors that fall under 3. They might not market it as having this stamp on it even, cuz they are trying to trick you into thinking your ID wont suck so you will buy one.



What you want is one of the following types of IDs which as far as I am aware are almost never sold on easy to find websites, but from vendors who are ten thousand times more underground than the r-c scene vendors are:

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4. Be a very low quality counterfeit. This means it might look fine at first glance and even second glance, but it wont stand up to the anti counterfeiting measurements, such as wont have ultra-violet ink on it, wont have a mag strip that scans (this is particularly dangerous), wont have high quality facial holograms / minipictures, will have an ID number that is impossible according to the ID number algorithm, wont have a proper barcode and wont have directional ink (sort of like a hologram that covers the entire ID and shows up different colors at different angles). An ID that lacks ALL of these will fall under number 3, but an ID that looks visually accurate but lacks any of these features would be considered a counterfeit but a low quality one (but still better than a fake). Depending on how many features it is missing this will probably work for western union and bars ETC but it might be a little sketchy. If the magstrip doesn't scan it could get you busted if its scanned at WU, they don't always scan but its the time they do that matters. I would be willing to risk using an ID that wasn't perfect to set up PO boxes but I wouldn't use a low quality counterfeit for western union or financial stuff personally. These IDs are quite hard to get, but if you live around a college campus you could possibly pull it off if you know the right people. Some of the easy to find website ID vendors might offer IDs of this quality but not many at all. There are a few vendors who pop up every once in a blue moon offering this quality of ID.

6. High quality counterfeits. These are the ones that are worth their weight in gold, and 99.99999999% of the time you wont find them being offered by easy to find websites. Theyare IDs that are damn near perfect and stand up to many anti-counterfeiting tests, but for example might be printed with a different printer than the ones from DMV (allowing a forensics teams to differentiate it from a perfect fake), and maybe some tricks used (like stenciled on directional ink instead of printed), but to anyone who isn't doing an in depth analysis on the ID it will work. I would use one of these for western union and not break a sweat. Vendors with these are extremely underground and tend to work in small batches of IDs followed by many months or years of vanishing. Some high quality counterfeits are better than others, leading us up to the seemingly mythical......

7. Perfect counterfeits. These are indistinguishable from IDs printed by the DMV. The maker will use the same printer model as the ones DMV use, will spend days working on ID templates with real physical IDs used as references. Directional ink will be made with the printer and not stenciled on. These IDs are almost impossible to get. These are generally safe to bank with if backed by an info, but you really don't need these for anything short of banking and going underground (although clearly they would work for WU and PO boxes also). I think to get these IDs you need to be in the carder/skimmer scene, which is in itself extraordinarily sketchy as they are constantly getting fucked by feds.

Also keep in mind in most countries an ID that isn't backed with real information is pretty worthless for anything. In USA you don't need a real info backing your ID for WU or shit though, they don't check. Usually if your ID looks legit, magstrip scans and it has directional ink and UV ink it will be good for damn near anything. If you plan to bank with it it would need backed by an info though, but it is *super* sketchy to bank with a stolen identity and you will get *majorly* fucked if caught doing it.

 

And that's why I like AlertPay and the like over WU.

 

I have never had to show any form of Id at WU, thankfully!

 

You don't need ID in most of the USA to send up to $999 and also you can pick up up to $999 with a question answer with no ID (but I think in this case the sender needs ID, correct me if I am wrong). This is quickly changing though, it already has changed through out most of europe where you now need an ID to send or receive any amount of money. I expect WU will require ID for all transactions in USA with in a few years, already they are starting to ask for ID sometimes when question answer is used. The days of easily bullshitting WU forms are near over I am afraid.

Also keep in mind with picking up and sending money: if you pick up or send $2,000 or more a month from WU with a single ID, it will be reported to the IRS. I know someone who WU many thousands of dollars over a few months with his real ID and he got raided by IRS asking him where he got so much money with no job and why he was sending it to the other side of the world. All his computers got seized. He is probably going to prison. Your best bet is to get 5 or 6 IDs with different info and rotate them (seriously if you know a legit and GOOD ID vendor, grab as many as you can afford, you will not regret it if you ever plan to need to move money anonymously or get large shipments of shit). Then you can pick up around $10,000 a month between them with out IRS ever catching wind. Best bet is still to bounce the money through a bunch of E-currency accounts first and then cash it out to WU through an exchanger.

 

I can say for myself only, at the few WU i use and the Security quesiton was used for me to send money, No ID was needed. I believe you are correct though. ID for the sender should be needed, but not 100% either! Thankfully they are usually 16-20 young ladies that are always texting and the likes so they are not worried about me sending monies to "Europe or Aisa" and if they ask then, "Ebay, what a great place to buy things!" always gets the "oh okay" from them.

 

From the WU website. So maybe we are getting lucky then!

 

The clerk can waive identification for amounts under $999 but they don't have to (and im pretty sure it can only be for one side of the transaction, aka either sender shows ID to send with question answer or sender doesn't show ID but receiver must to pick up, but both sides must show ID if it is over $999, but maybe the clerks dont enforce this law much). Usually grocery stores the clerk waives it but at loan places they usually don't. At some loan places I have heard they even fingerprint, photograph and ID you before they will let you pick up WU.

I think in the near future you will always be required to use ID at WU, same as it is now in Europe. They recently changed the laws, I don't suspect the rest of the world is far behind at all.

 

I knew I could count on binary coming in and giving some good info, thanks man.

 

Yeah, dynamic kid, I also just went to the site, so that's how I figured it. I sent money for legitimate purposes like a year ago, but I can't remember if they ID'd me. Though somehow I think it's safer to assume that they did (and would these days as well).

I wonder when we'll start hearing bad things about AlertPay. I mean it has worked out so well so far. Maybe someone up there will start getting upset over this.

 

Since the topic was brought up could someone BRIEFLY explain alertpay to me?
Like is it all online with a CC or what?

 

Ehh it's just like a more sexy paypal that DOESN'T randomly freeze your funds. Plus the fees are friendlier, afaik.

 

Me too. Love the sig pic, was that in Wierd Al's All About the Pentiums video?

 

NO,

just a pic i found off the net.