The Bible contradicts it self?

This is a good example of why I don't bother with long lists of cut and paste "contradictions", most of them, on their face just aren't contradictions, just as Okiefreak has pointed out.

I mean really, why do I have to waste my time to look up all these things only to find that the person who posted them didn't even check to see if they were even contradictions in the first place.

 

Once again I've enjoyed that someone has felt the need to say that the Bible is contradictory without showing where they think the Bible is actually contradictory.

This thread is for those who have what they think are contradictions they want discussed and not for those who just want to jam on the Bible without proof.

 

Worldly intellectuals can research the mark/luke/matthew thing all they want but the main problem with their conclusions is there is no mark/luke/matthew thing.

 

This thread is for those who have what they think are contradictions they want discussed and not for those who just want to jam on the Bible without proof.

Well, excuse the fuck out of me. Who are you, the Pope? I'll gladly leave this thread to you who obviously think you have a higher moral authority than anyone else.

And I wasn't "jamming on the bible without proof". I was simply giving my opinion. People besides you are entitled to that, you know.

 

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You have to understand our frustration, Caliente. We are asking for Bible contradictions and the topic keeps rearing off to something else. I am all for allowing threads to go off into wherever it may go off to, because it's artist in a way and it helps to reveal more of everyone's perspective. But we are asking for Bible contradictions here, we'll gladly answer any questions that come about, but please keep it focused.

People see that there are multiple people that write that Bible, and they assume that they are human and not God. They see no contradictions so they look into whether or not the writers were lunatics, soothsayers, or conniving people trying to gain influence.

The idea is that, if there are no contradictions and that the message remains true, then how can that be possible? Surely there is no such thing as avatars? Right?

This is partly why it is so important to keep this on topic. The topic is about Bible contradictions. Once we move along from that we can go into something else and break that down logically. We can be wrong, but challenge us on it.

The truth is incredible, partly the reason why there is so much apprehension against it. But it's healthy to be apprehensive against this, it shows that you are honest about finding the truth, so that you test the waters to see if it's safe to go in or not. That's ok. But please, on topic

Also, please don't be offended. What I have noticed is that often times we make what others say more than what is said. I have a habit of doing that and OWB knows all about it from the PMs that I send him. When this happens, unnecessary heartache comes in to play. Personally, I treat this as a game. Someone gives a statement and I see if it's true or not. If it is meant to offend I just roll my eyes and shrug it off because it's beneath us to get so offended by mere words.

Have I said to much? I dunno. I think that we are far too silent sometimes. "Silence isn't golden when we keep it all inside" - Axl Rose

 

We aren't asking you to submit to anything. You are free to agree or disagree, and you don't need me to tell you that. But the thread is about what it is about.

If you want to talk about the Qur'an contradictions you can just start a post in the Islamic forum. You may have more fun there Sorry for being crass, but I encourage it.

The link that you gave just complicates the question. We are just asking how the Bible contradicts itself.

 

Well then start your own thread.

Me? I'm nothing special but I did start this thread for the purpose of discussing seeming Bible contradictions and please excuse me for not wanting you to hi-jack this thread by making statements like these without bothering to show the least bit of proof for such statements:

That makes you just another person making the statement that the Bible is contradictory without proving it. If the Bible is so contradictory then it should be easy for you to find one of the plethora of contradictions to discuss here to prove your point.

 

First you have no idea what I "recognize as christianity" and second, this thread is for those who want to discuss seeming Bible contradictions, so far nothing you have said has anying thing to to do with seeming Bible contradictions.

If you want to discuss the points that you are trying to make, fine, start a new thread and tell me which one it is and we can discuss them but right now all you are doing is derailing this thread.

 

I eventually plan to take up, one by one, the rest of the contradictions provided in the two laundry lists on page one of this thread. Then I'll address some additional seeming inconsistencies other writers have identified. It's a tedious task, particularly since I won't get any course credit for it, but it's really the only way to resolve the controversy. Not that I think it will actually do that. I might say that I don't know what conclusions I'll come to. Since I'm not a biblical literalist, it's not important to me that the Bible be shown to be free of inconsistencies.

I regard much of the Bible as inspired metaphor intended to convey powerfully some basic truths about reality, the human condition, our relationship with God and with each other, and our moral obligations. For example, I regard, as many bible scholars do, the Bible as offering two different accounts of creation, with different sequences of major events: one in Chapter One of Genesis, another in Chapter Two. The order of creation in the two chapters is different, and the literary tone of the two is also different. The creation story of Chapter One is like Cecil B. Demille, portraying the awesomne majesty of God in creating order out of chaos by a series of commands. The six-day creation stages demonstrate the power of the God of the Jews over those of pagan rivals, as one by one aspects of nature which were worshipped as divine by various neighboring pagan peoples were created by Yaweh. And on the seventh day, even God rested, showing the importance of the sabbath. The sequence of creation here is : 1. Light,2. the firmament, earth and sea, 3. lights in the firmament, 4. sea creatures and birds, 4. land animals and a man and a woman made in His image and likeness, who are given dominion over the earth and told to be fruitful and multiply. In Chapter Two, containing the Adam and Eve story, the creation sequence seems to be partly reversed, with man coming first, then all the animals and birds, then woman. God operates in a more intimate, anthropomorphic manner, molding His human creations like a loving artisan, forming man out of the soil of the ground, breathing life into his nostrils, and formed the woman from the man's rib, so that the man said "At last, here is one of my own kind--bone taken form my bone and flesh from my flesh. This was important in explaining why man must leave his parents and be united with his wife and they become one. Genesis1 is particularly important to me as the basis of a religious experience in which I came to see a special meaning in the concept of humans being created in God's image and likeness. But do I believe any of it actually happened? No, I think it was metaphor. The two chapters may seem different because they each have a different literary-aesthetic and moral purpose. I love them both for different reasons, and think that the messages of both are inspired and true as metaphors. Are they inconsistent? I think so. Do the inconsistencies matter? No, because each story has a different purpose and the details are appropriate to that purpose.

 

I don’t mind if you wish to do it but please, if you don’t mind, check them out before you ask about them so that you yourself think that it is a contradiction, remember I don’t get any course credit for this either.

To me, the main problem with thinking of the Bible as being just an inspired metaphor intended to convey powerfully some basic truths about reality, the human condition, our relationship with God and with each other, and our moral obligations is that it invalidates Jesus’ sacrifice. If Adam were not real, then we did not inherit Adamic sin from him and Jesus would have no reason to sacrifice his life to remove it from us.

As for this, in Post #19 I already answered this. Each account is like a camera zooming in for more details of specific events.

 

How'd you come up with this?

 

Alright. I have one or two "contradictions." I will try to avoid any that come from the metaphoric or symbolical nature of the bible and stick to the straight up literal.

Genesis 1:20-21:
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

VS

Genesis 2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


So... Did God form birds and animals out of the water or out of the ground?


And here's one more


In First Kings 16:6-8 the king of Israel, Baasha, dies, replaced by his son Elah during the 26th year of Asa's (King of Judah) reign. But in Second Chronicles l6:1 we read that Baasha, king of Israel, goes against Judah during Asa's 36th year. The King dies, is buried, his son becomes King, but after a decade, the dead king leads a military adventure?!


First Kings 16:6-8
So Baasha slept with his fathers, and was buried in Tirzah: and Elah his son reigned in his stead.
And also by the hand of the prophet Jehu the son of Hanani came the word of the LORD against Baasha, and against his house, even for all the evil that he did in the sight of the LORD, in provoking him to anger with the work of his hands, in being like the house of Jeroboam; and because he killed him.
In the twenty and sixth year of Asa king of Judah began Elah the son of Baasha to reign over Israel in Tirzah, two years.


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2 Chronicles 16:1
In the six and thirtieth year of the reign of Asa Baasha king of Israel came up against Judah, and built Ramah, to the intent that he might let none go out or come in to Asa king of Judah

 

No, that's not how this works. I am free to comment as I wish, just as you are. Except that I don't have the attitude that mine is the only possible opinion, as you seem to.

So do not tell me to "start my own thread".

 

Yes, it is how it works.

All of your comments have been off topic and thus you are hi-jacking this thread and are in violation of forum guidelines.

The OP is not asking for opinions, it is asking for people who have contradictions that they want to discuss.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

So if you have a Contradiction like the OP asks for, fine, what is it?

But if not, I say once again take your opinion and start your own thread.

PS If you want to know what this thread is really about and need an example of an acceptable post please see the post above yours by Sweetart Katie.

 

Why is so hard for you to understand that you are not the only one with a right to speak?

I will express my opinion. If you don't like what I say, you are free to ignore it.

 

This thread is not about your opinion or my opinion, it is about seeming Bible contradictions, if you don't have one please move along and stop bothering those who have one they would like to discuss.

Once again, why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

I like pop-tarts with peanut butter on them, Yum!

 

OK, here is one. God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19

And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14

 

Just explain to me about the missing books of the Bible.

If God's word is completely true, then how is the Word that we read incomplete? Then it isn't truly the Word of God, is it?