Proxies, (mods if this is a sensitive topic, please delete, don't mean it to be)

Okay, if I ran a website, how could I force the people using my website, or, more specifically, a portion of my website, to use a proxy, that I do not have legal responsibility for? and can trust the person who controls, but, also, protect them from legal responsibility?


if you do not know what a proxy is


it is another computer, that your internet traffic goes through so that the server you are requesting information from doesn't know who you are

and so your ISP doesn't know you are requesting information from this server.


only the proxy knows who you are requesting info from

and who you are

and the more proxies you use, the slower it gets, but the more secure it gets (a la TOR)

 

I don't know how you could FORCE them to use a proxy, but you could probably make or of your hyperlinks go through a proxy. This would slow the website down, add some spam to it, and probably just make it an unpleasant surfing experience.

You could set up your own proxy, somewhere else, but that would be somewhat expensive. Theoretically you will have to go through an endless list of proxies if you want to protect said individual.

All in all, I don't think you should worry too much about legal consequences unless you plan to discuss something like child porn or explosive production.

 

Unless they have direct knowledge of illegal activity, they should be at no risk. Though that also depends on just how criminal the activity is. If it's an underground assassin ring..... they're probably fucked no matter what.

As for forcing the use of a proxy you could auto-redirect your home page through to the proxy site, and most likely use a java application to auto fill in the official URL for YOUR sites content into the proxy and submit it for you.**

This would take care of all of the steps a user would normally have to do on their own, automatically. It also gives your partner plausible deniability.

**: Just in case I was confusing. Have dave-techie.com redirect to the proxy which then is used to access dave-techie.com/home/index.hmtl.... so on so forth...

 

Put the servers in Russia/Kazakstan with backup in Guam or Naura.
Ends the need for technical buggering around.
.. If I read the jist of your concern correctly?

Did u sort that legal problem after Dave?

 

Could you forward your sites domain through a proxy?

and maybe try making whatever it is your doing subscriber based. that can create more defense.

 

I was actually thinking running a php script, but, java alsso did cross my mind.

I'm not so much considering doing anything illegal, but I want to be able to produce a website where I can absolutely guarantee the anonymity of my users, and if no one involved has any way of knowing who the users are, no one can be held legally responsible FOR knowing who the users are.

not because I expect them to do anything illegal, but, instead, because of the Valerie Plame affair.

 

has to not be subscriber based

there will actually be two codes generated by two separate systems which will allow a given person to access their "account" (nothing like an account) and, actually it might be more than two numbers

a user identification number, that is specific to a particular transaction number

and a hash. or checksum that is from the application of the cryptographic algorithm (which is variant based on the time of day, and the transaction number, among other factors, to create something as close as possible to a one time use sheet)

 

"that I do not have legal responsibility for?"

It's not possible.

 

No matter how you go about it, there's a trail. That trail eventually leads back to IP addresses and providers...... I like where you're going with this, but really at the end of the day it has to be the end user who keeps himself from talking about too much.

 

You can write a prog to use the voodoo chat client to force crypted loading on pages into its in-client(IE) browser. voodoo is crypted, hasent been broken in 4 years. All chat traffic between people is unable to be read by anybody. AT present you have to write your own exe to use the chat in this way...you have to have your users use hoststrings to call for pages blahblah.. its works, but you wont like what you have to do to get it to work for the masses, it's more of a "friends" thing.

( yes, I use this so people can hit my local machine. it DOES not stop the man from knowing where people are, it does stop them from know whats in a packets. )

 

Ummm nah dude. First bro proxy servers are just programs that change/hide your IP however if requested most proxies will give your information up without much effort.

Also your ISP will know every thing that you do EVERYTHING, well actually you can get around that but you would need more than a proxy server to get around your ISP logging your every move.

As for getting user to use proxies, it would probably be easier to prompt the users as they enter the site. Kinda like porn sites or adult sites prompt users with a Are you 18 or Under 18 buttons and just change that with Is this your computer or Not your computer . If the user chooses the your computer options the button will act as access to a proxy giving each user a proxy (random ip, anonymous site surfing), also that would be a nice option so that the users will only have the proxy on for that one site opposed to everything else they browse. You could use the Not your computer option to redirect the user to google or yahoo.

My $.02

 

Bonkai, I promise I know more about how proxy servers work than you do.

it is not just a program.

just like your e-mail is not just a program

and the internet is not just firefox.

 

you're right Dave.

approximately 80% of Internet Explorer is the internet, so Firefox cannot be the whole internets.

You learn something new everyday!

 

Nah you don't dude, I promise just take my word for it.

Just remember the dumb questions/statements of your first post prove this.

 

All this talk about anonymous email proxies..
Is Dave currently living in an Afghan cave with a 6'8 inch Saudi Arabian?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_proxy

since I can't make any personal attacks I will leave this at that.

but really.

durrrrrrrrr

all of the applications that you think of as "proxies" are things that simplify the process of making use of a proxy server

you may think you are smart in your sandbox.

you are not in your sandbox anymore.

 

What part of "computer system or an application program" do you not get?!
Dude you even fucking code bro?!

Nevermind, can't wait for you to call me at work for help lol, good luck.

 

I would so love to have to replace hardware to change rules. Wouldn't that be neat....

 

you didn't even read the article.

you don't even understand it

and I have been coding for longer than you have probably had a computer.

the applications it mentions ARE PUTTING YOU THROUGH OTHER COMPUTERS

which are the actual proxies.

what you are doing is akin to arguing that there are no servers behind a website.

it is god damned absurd.

if someone said to you "oh, no, hipforums is all on my computer because firefox is an application"

you would think they were retarded

and that is EXACTLY where I am with you right now.

those are client apps, and there are server apps, and they run on physical computers, which are the proxies, there are virtual machines, but they are still the same thing, it is not an application.

you do not understand what I am saying and you think you know a little, and you think you are all that and then some because you can play with some scripts and some mysql databases.

you are being a fucking fool.

and that is just frustrating to me.

 

Dude you really need to read my first post, plus you need to tell this article you speak of. I see no links to an article or mention of one in your post. The only reason I might come off as cocky about this subject is because I work at a host company and all I do is fuck with servers all day. Believe when your boss has over 20 years in the field you learn a bit.

Edit: Why don't you call us for help, since you have the question.
1-866-96-Gator don't worry it's free. Ask for Lance.