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things that are most people believe that you doubt

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by jonny2mad, Apr 21, 2009.

  1. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    There any things that most people believe in , its could be some aspect of history that you learned about since childhood , it could be some aspect of science , are there any things like this that you doubt or dont believe in .

    have you ever had a strong belief that you no longer believe .
    not believing in some things can get you laughed at some can get you jailed for example holocaust denial is illegal in some countrys .

    do you accept the history your told or the science your told and to what degree .
     
  2. chemigals

    chemigals They call me Chemi

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    hummmm im trying to think of something but nothing springs to mind as of yet so Im going to go away and come back to it....just thought id let you know :)
     
  3. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    thanks
    its actually good to think if there is anythings you don't believe in that are generally believed . are you to trusting , do you not look at the evidence are you being influenced by public opinion .

    imagine a world since you were born that people tell you 2 + 2 = 5

    you go through school and they keep telling you 2 +2 = 5

    the media tells you , they have talk programmes where they mock people who believe differently that 2+ 2= 4 or 6 , you go to university and professors say yes 2 + 2 =5 and if you say well I'm not sure I think it may equal 4 they will go oh dear I don't think you will have much of a future

    its very likely your going to believe that 2+ 2=5
     
  4. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    (...avoiding the 'R****ion' word, for now)

    When I studied physics as a child, I was taught that light was a wave.

    Then it got to A-level and I was taught it was a particle that behaved like a wave.

    Then I got to university and I was taught... well... they've no f-ing idea what light is; but we can use particle and wave equations to intepret it into our human reality.

    I could apply this model to many 'facts' I was taught, - and all it taught me was to question everything. - I think that's healthier in order to prevent brain-rot dogmas.
     
  5. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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    Certain things I have noticed a lot of people believe in which are in essence, codswallop:

    - Human intuition is a rational and effective decision making tool
    - Sex equates to love and is a medium by which to communicate our feelings to another
    - An objective truth exists and any denial of this fact will result in some sort of lazy despondency, if not moral bankruptcy
     
  6. Jaitaiyai

    Jaitaiyai Cianpo di tutti capi

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    Apparently there's a drug that your brain makes when you have sex which makes you feel closer to whomever you're with. It's not the same as love, granted, but it's interesting.
     
  7. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    its interesting how few things people dont not believe in,
     
  8. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    A vast majority have some kind of mystical or magical belief system, this accounts for not just the R word but a readiness to believe in invisible spirits, ghosts, paranormal influence, etc. It also applies to conspiracy theorists who seem to believe that large groups of people can act secretly in unison with perfect godlike success; this is a pretty widespread if not mainstream belief which is basically another form of magical thinking, a secular superstition.

    There are good and bad reasons to believe things, accepting things on authority, intuition or tradition are bad reasons to believe, but this does not mean that every belief supported by authority, intuition or tradition is wrong. Most scientific knowledge is accepted on a kind of authority - we don't all go and check all the evidence and oversee all the experiments, nor could we. We should be sceptical and do our best to understand the evidence and reasoning which lead to particular conclusions. Scientific knowledge also goes through a process of scrutiny, peer review and constant re-evaluation where every attempt is made to find its flaws and show it to be wrong. This makes it different from other kinds of "authority" based beliefs which don't have any scrutiny and are based on mysticism or revelation. This process of scrutiny does not mean scientific knowledge is not biased and sometimes wrong, but it does make it a pragmatic and conditional system providing the best, though incomplete, knowedge we are capable of at any given time.

    Fundamentally you should remain sceptical and open minded, sometimes people mistake scepticism for disbelief, it's not that, and it's not replacing one flawed belief with another, equally or even more flawed one (which is what conpiracy theorists do). Scepticism is being prepared to reserve judgement, requiring evidence for your beliefs, and being prepared to rethink them at any moment in light of new evidence.
     
  9. silverhippy

    silverhippy Comfortably Numb

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    Well I used to believe in the tooth fairy, but after I got laid off and ran out money I pulled out all my teeth and put them under my pillow, well i've been waiting for two months now and the bitch hasn't left me dime yet, so it's all just Bull..

    Peace
     
  10. JoeyPB

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    I've always questioned the law of conversation of mass - matter can neither be destroyed nor created. When you think of things in terms of the present, the law seems obvious. I can't make something just disappear or appear out of thin air, but when you think of it in terms of the past or future, everything had to come from somewhere, but has it always existed, and will it? Probably not - nothing is forever.

    Matter, at one point, had to be created - as I said, you can't just make something disappear or appear, but in that sense, it's also a paradox. What came first, the matter, or the matter needed to create the matter, to create the matter, to create the matter and so forth?

    Reminds me of a question I asked when I was high with my friend. What came first, the egg or the silly putty? lmao
     
  11. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    Matter is equivalent to energy in Einstein's theory isn't it? So it's not that matter always existed and cannot be destroyed but that total mass/energy remains constant according to the e=mc2 relationship... I'm no physicist though:tongue:
     
  12. Fingermouse

    Fingermouse Helicase

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    Nah hes just an all round swot
     
  13. Raskalization

    Raskalization Making plans for Nigel

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    Wha....? I exist damn you!
     
  14. nldn

    nldn Senior Member

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    That soap operas are worth watching.
     
  15. Face Eater

    Face Eater Banned

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    I can logically prove that they are.
     
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