How To View Duality?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by neodude1212, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    What is the correct way to view duality in your opinion? I can come up with 3 different options that all seem legitimate in some way.

    1. I'm going to call this one the Opposition View. This is the classic view of duality, that every force or representation of a force has a direct opposite that is also a force, and that they are equal in magnitude and presence in the universe, thus cancelling out to leave us with the higher truth that they are ultimately the same. Think of yin and yang.

    2. This one I'll refer to as Ultimatum View. This is when one considers that if something is not of a definite distinction, then it automatically works against that distinction. For example, under this view, the opposite of white would not be black, the opposite of white would simply be not white. This means that every color is the opposite of white. It's sort of like the old phrase, "If you aren't with me, you're against me."

    3. Finally, the last option I could come up with, I'll call the One Truth View. Favorited by subscribers of the Judeo-Christian mind, this is where there are only positive forces, deemed "good" or "just" by the divine and subsequentely, humanity in general, and forces which humanity needs to or is expected to move towards to avoid negative consquences.
    A classically scientific example of this thought pattern is "There is no such thing as cold, cold is simply the absence of heat."
    A more philosophical, thought-provoking, and thus controversial example would be "There is no such thing as evil, evil is simply the absence of good."

    Thoughts on any of these, or any different views of your own?
     
  2. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    It is in the viewing of the objective world that the duality is to be found.
     
  3. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    This is clearly the context that I meant for this discussion.
     
  4. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Let me rephrase then.
    It is in the viewing of the viewing (in which duality can be found) of the objective world in which all (including duality and objective world) can be found to have taken rise from the mind.
     
  5. bluesafire

    bluesafire Senior Member

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    how about the view by which you can view something "correctly". ;)
     
  6. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    Right I know.
    But this still doesn't detract from what I'm asking. I meant how to view duality from within the mind, not without.
     
  7. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    And what view would that be?
    I'm not looking for something transcendent or anything here.
    I mean how to view duality within the context of duality.
    And depending on if, and what sort, of discussion we get going in here, my opinion on what the "correct" view may just change drastically.
     
  8. bluesafire

    bluesafire Senior Member

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    there you go. that's duality. it changes. and if you find a "correct" view at all, it automatically becomes dualistic by its very nature, because any such "correctness" takes it out of the realm of nonduality and is therefore subject to change.

    pick a vew. any view. it doesn't matter. they're all the same, ultimately.
     
  9. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    And Im telling you that I view it as a result of mind and therefor may only be viewed incorrectly (in my mind). :)
     
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  11. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    Ok, say take out the word "correctly" and now I ask you, how do you view it?
     
  12. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    I don't think so. They are three entirely distinct world views in general, and also incompatible.
    Like I said, I'm not looking for anything transendent, and on the level we are talking, they aren't the same.

    You guys seem really hung up on "correct".
     
  13. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    So you gonna vote for "You Suck"?
     
  14. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Namaste ~
    I view it as a result of mind.
    I view it as a form of discrimination the mind makes for that which it, itself, has created.
    Without mind, is there duality?
    Without mind, is there and objective world?
    What is the point of discriminating a discrimination?
    It's all born of mind.
    I know this is not among the kind of answers you were looking to produce with this thread, but that is all I can say. I will stop posting in this thread if I am moving it in a direction that you wish to avoid Josh.
     
  15. bluesafire

    bluesafire Senior Member

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    I don't think you're seeing it the way I am. And I guess I'm not interested enough in this subject to explore it further through discussion... no offense. :p I was just popping in for a quick sec and now popping right back out again. Have fun exploring.... :cheers2:
     
  16. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    We all see it in our own way.
    I am actually very interested in this subject, but my answer comes from an attempt at being detached. So my view is one which comes from my desire to not view it as anything other than thought, which makes it difficult to discuss :tongue:
     
  17. bluesafire

    bluesafire Senior Member

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    well you managed to articulate it well this time. :p
     
  18. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Even so, my view is still wrong :D
     
  19. bluesafire

    bluesafire Senior Member

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    hehe
     
  20. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    I'm in the one truth camp. In my view everything is one and the same. Our minds divide this oneness into pieces that can be compared, but in reality everything is connected.
     
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