what is your church doing for halloween

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by ChiefCowpie, Oct 30, 2004.

  1. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    as christians of course, we all must accept halloween to be an idolotrous heathen pagan practice but that doesn't mean we might not be able to find some good in it and dovetail it to the Lord

    at our church, we are eager to get out the message that jesus and mary magdalene were married so what we're doing is sending out some kids as the husband and wife teams of jesus and mary magdalene

    so what is your churh doing?
     
  2. northernlehigh97

    northernlehigh97 Senior Member

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    Why doesn't it surprise me anymore that you would start an off the wall post like this...
     
  3. bandit28

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    First of all todays Holoween was originaly a spanish holiday where they celebrated the lost lives of their friends and relatives. Also known as the "Day of the dead". As a christian I see nothing wrong with allowing my son to dress up in a costum so he and other children can run around and laugh while collecting candy from neighbors. I don't paint a pentagram on my living room floor and light candles and try to contact dead spirits. I also don't recall reading anything in The Bible concerning doing this. Oh, and I don't recal reading that Jesus Christ married.
     
  4. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    its all true that jesus married mary magdalene... read the book "holy blood, holy grail" it proves it
     
  5. bandit28

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    That would be someones opinion. Not fact. Tell me, what else do you worship and follow that isn't written in The Bible?
     
  6. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    my church, "The Woodstock Church of Jesus Christ, LSD and Barbie Dolls" has quite a few beliefs that are even considered far out by weird woodstock... i wouldn't know where to begin to tell you what beliefs we have that aren't written in the bible
     
  7. arlia

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    my church had a aprty for all the kids,nothing to do with haloween just an opertunity for our kids to hav fun and not feel that theyre missin out in all the fun!
    we ahd like a big ol bouncy castle,was gr8 that i was helpin out coz i were on it for like an hour b4 the kids came.....i had2 do face painting,was really funny,even persuaded some of the leders to hav theyre face painted by a pretty lady*joke*
    by the ned of the evenin the kids got hold of the paint and i left lookin like a rainbow oompah loompah>
     
  8. POPthree13

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    Well I don't think it was proven that Jesus and Mary M Married, but there is some historical evidence of this. Just because the Catholic/Roman builders of the bible ommitted this doesn't make it untrue.


    Oh, and my church. We burned some pagans at the stake. Then we tried to see if Wiccans tied to rocks floated. After that we started an educational campaign to remind people that the earth was flat and that our God was better than everyone else's. Then we had a bonfire with some educational books on evolution and prayed that everyone who didn't agree with us would burn in hell eternally.
    All in all I think Jesus would have been proud.
     
  9. roly

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    instead of hallowe'en we had a hallelujah party for the kids with games, food, live music and games etc...they loved it...non christians and christians alike ....i helped out and we had a laugh! :D
    Roly.xxx
     
  10. luvndrumn

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    Chief, I sure have missed you. :sunglasse
     
  11. arlia

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    heheheh!!!
    that is spooky!
    do we live on a paralele universe!
    thats wot are kids party was called!!!
     
  12. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    at our halloween party, we had a marriage ceremony where jesus and mary magdalene got married... it was really beautiful
     
  13. arlia

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    mary magdalene is dead!!!
    duuuuuhhhhh!
     
  14. gnrm23

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    & jesus is sitting up in heaven at the right hand of his father, YHVH (who is, of course, just another aspect of himself the son, & himself the dove dude...)




    so, wots ur point?
     
  15. arlia

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    the holy spirit u mean?
     
  16. ChiefCowpie

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    gnrm23 is saying that your point about mary not being present on the planet is pointless since jesus isn't incarnate as well
     
  17. arlia

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    jesus spirit is alive tho,jesus isnt dead,jesus conquered death
     
  18. gnrm23

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    ~
    the descending dove of the holy spirit
    the holy ghost
    heilige gheist
    third person of the trinity
    the comforter
    the paraclete
    tomgues of fire on pentecost day


    yeah...
    (have i commited THE unpardonable sin in your eyes yet?)






    sacred spook (anybody remember nat'l lampoon's comix "son o' god" ? this little jewish nebbish kid (& his 12 buddies he'd hang out with, often) - well, he'd get like seriously pissed off & cuss out "jesus christ!" & POOF he's be sudedenly transformed into "son-o-god", six foot two, eyes of blue, & his winged buddy the spook flitting around his head... seriously funny stuff from back in the day, hehhehheh...)
     
  19. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    Frequently Asked Questions

    by Lesa Bellevie

    Was Mary Magdalene a prostitute?

    There is no textual evidence to be found that supports the idea that Mary Magdalene (hereafter refered to as "MM") was a prostitute. The leading theory is that her identity was intentionally changed by by Pope Gregory the Great, perhaps reflecting what was already popular opinion. The person of MM was conflated with those of Mary of Bethany and the anonymous sinner of Luke who anointed Jesus' feet. With that in mind, it is often assumed that the "sinner" who anointed Jesus' feet was a prostitute, and the connection is made.

    There are, however, people who adopt the prostitute view regardless of her actual status as such because of the centuries invested in that particular legend. She has come to be a symbol for not only penitence and redemption, but also of sexuality and female strength. Recently it has been theorized that MM was a sacred prostitute in the temple of a goddess such as Isis or Innana, though there is no evidence to support that speculation. In addition, it has been suggested that Mary Magdalene was given the identity of a "fallen woman" to reflect the Neoplatonic notion of the soul in exile from God, as she is frequently associated with the Bride of Christ, his church.

    What does the name "Magdalene" mean?

    If you take the Occam's Razor approach, "Magdalene" means simply "one from the town of Magdala." Unfortunately, during the time when Magdalene would have lived, there was no town called Magdala; this was a name given by Crusaders in an effort to match places in the Holy Land with Biblical accounts. Others tend to interpret the root of the word, "magdala," or "magdal" or "migdal" to "tower" or "fortress," and base the meaning of the name on the word rather than the town. Margaret Starbird wrote in her books that she believes that "Magdalene" was an epitaph, which would mean "Mary, the Tower."

    Were Jesus and MM married?

    Although it is a tempting legend to accept, there is no direct evidence that they were married or had any kind of conjugal relationship. There is, however, circumstantial evidence that points toward that conclusion. The Gosple of Philip calls MM "the companion" of Jesus, the original language often being interpreted more accurately as "the consort." The Gospel of Philip also makes reference to Jesus kissing MM often on the mouth(1); while this could be seen as an apostolic transmission, we don't hear of Jesus kissing his other disciples on the mouth.

    Additionally, there is good evidence that MM has been set up as "the Bride of Christ" in the early centuries BCE, but it isn't clear if that was intended to reflect a literal or figurative teaching.

    Did MM travel to France?

    There are strong local legends in the Provence region of France that MM traveled there with several companions, including Joseph of Arimethea, the Virgin Mary, Martha, and sometimes Lazarus. The Golden Legend by Jacobus De Voragine, written in the 13th century, has accounts of many saints and includes one retelling of this legend. Margaret Starbird discusses these legends at length in her books.

    Why is MM called the Apostle of the Apostles?

    MM is generally refered to as the Apostle of the Apostles because she was the one that carried the good news of the resurrection to her brothers, the disciples. From there, they went on to carry the message to others.

    Was MM a temple priestess of (Ishtar, Innana, Isis, etc.)?

    There are many correlations between the legends of MM and Jesus and other myths. This idea primarily comes from the scene where Jesus is anointed by Mary of Bethany, as this reflects the anointing of the dying god in an enactment of the "heiros gamos," or "sacred marriage" ritual. Apparently, this anointing was performed by the priestess of the cult on the man who represented the dying god.

    Is MM the same person as Mary of Bethany?

    This is a subject of much debate. Those interested in Mary Magdalene are usually split into two camps: those who believe she was Mary of Bethany, sister of Martha and Lazarus, and those who do not. There is really no good evidence to prove that either is true.

    Did MM have red hair?



    No textual references portray her with red hair. She was frequently painted in that manner because:
    • she was often associated with the color red because it was the color of a harlot
    • her identity was conflated with that of the sinner in Luke who annointed Jesus' feet and wiped them with her hair.

    Did MM become a hermit?

    Along with the legends of her traveling to Gaul after the crucifixion, there are legends of her going into a grotto (as well as into the desert) to live a life of solitude for the rest of her life. The French grotto in which she was supposed to have lived is near St. Baume, and tourists can visit it.

    What is the reference to the "alabaster jar" all about?

    The reference is twofold: she was one of the women who went to the tomb to annoint Jesus' body after the crucifixion, so it is generally assumed that she was carrying some sort of unguent jar. Also, after her identity was combined with that of the sinner who annointed Jesus' feet with "costly ointment," the alabaster jar imagery took hold.

    Footnotes



    1. The Gospel of Philip:
    "And the companion of the [...] MM. [...] loved her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss her often on her mouth. The rest of the disciples [...]. They said to him 'Why do you love her more than all of us?' "

    and

    "There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary." ​
     
  20. Alsharad

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    See... I see this as more of a reason to believe that they are NOT married. Why? Look at the disciples reaction. "Why do you love her more than all of us?" If you have a good friend that is married, would you ever ask why he or she loves their spouse more than you? It is a silly question. The disciples would be asking "why do you love your wife more than us?" Kind of a silly question. It would make more sense if they asked the question and they were NOT married.

    Assuming that the "gospel" from which this was taken is authentic. The earliest manuscripts are generally 1 to 2 centuries older than the other gospels. The evidence that the "gnostic gospels" are authentic is severely lacking.
     
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