From what I read this was not her first attempt at suicide, and her own mother committed suicide. Seems the larger picture is that this woman was mentally ill.
whered u read that? no she wasnt mentaly ill at all. she did have thoughts of that in the past, which are understandable for someone so filled with passion for a cause and not feeling like her efforts mattered she was not delusional at all, except perhaps disalusioned into thinking the masses would embrace her ideas within her lifetime. but she had worked out a detailed plan on how to accomplish her goals. all beginning with the students simply taking 1 day off, to walk out, not in protest but to share idewas sit down and talk over how to fix the problems of the world then put it into action. her only delusion was to underestimate the apathy of the average student. they could walk by every day, saying they cared and saw her pioint, but when it came down to taking action they simply couldnt be bothered. it would take too long and too much space to go into the full plan, and i might mix up some detauils so wont bother trying. but rest assured she wasnt delusional at all, actualy she was pretty briliant. she studied thye dysfunctionality of every system throuighout history to discover the causes of thdeclines and fallsand realized the simplest solutions were the most odvios. everybodty complains about the system thry live under. but they continue to live under thasty system. together as a whole we can live without any system of control by taking direct resoponcibility for creating the life we hope for. odviosly, varios people will have different views on how theyre community should be run so you have to make allowences for that. comunity based self rule creates a greater ubnity of the whole. thered be no global laws affecting all, (except the most odvios ones concerning murder theft and the like) insread communitjes would be able to set theyre own guidelines to suite the members of the community. right wingers can have theyre anti abortion polocies within theyre comunity that can live peacefully along side a community whgos views and practices differ. thered be no need for an all powerful force enforcing laws over each community that make no sence to the members of that community now ofcourse u can argue thenthat industrial communities could run rampamnt with polutants if the members of that comunity choose to have no laws against poluting. yesthis is true.. byut the members of the community have to live and work there and suffer from theyre own lack of laws concerning polution, so eventionaly will change theyre tune based on suffering from theyre own polocies. this will lead to a gradual increase in the morality of all decisions the anti abortion communitieds for instasnce may become overpopulatrde and have to relax theyre views on contriception for instance. a community that embracesed rampant alcaholism and never ending pasrtyijmg may have to revise theyre views ij the face of mortality rates and such statistics. overall society will improve by facing the direct consequences of the decisions made by individual communities. so how would this all begijn? students, the brightest and best thinkers, walking out on theyre classes to sit down and soend 1 single day tyrying to figure ouit a way to accomplish the changes bneeded, then using the colledge radio stations and other media sources get the word out to do the same on a grander scale the following year. once a year greatter and greatter numbers take 1 single daty off to discuss ways to transform the mess werre in. then apply the ideas into actions. next questiojn ya might ask is, how do u fight the government to make these things happen. well you dont, ..you dont fight it you walk out on it.. lewt it fail and replace it with community based self rule. (probly in a multi teaired way, each community having equal say in regional afairs eaxh region having equal say in continentasl afairs each contonent having equal say in global affairs, all communities globaly unified into 1 cooperative unified structure of multiple independent communities. the worse of the worse communities will strive to improve based solely on thee conditions within now u may think thst this advocates relocation of ppl with differing views into communities that fit theyre views but the idea of the community can be both geographical as in a town, or, phuilosophical as in all those sharing an idea both can coe\xist within eachother. i havent slept so im too tired to explain it all very clearly but if yiu call gher delusional then ya might as well call everyone who ever thoight up any form of government delusional. in the times of monarches wben a single king ruled over all the idea of a republic, or demecratic society would have seemed delusional. in tribal cultures the concept of capitalism would surely seem delusional..what do you mean tgis peice of greenpaper is worth as much as a bowl of fruite what am i suposed to do with this paper? what use is it to me i cant eat it i cant wear it at best i can wipe my ass with it, but why shouldf i trade it for food when i can wipe my ass with a leaf see how delusional the things we take for granted today would seem to those whod never imagined it? something is only delusional till u accept that its possible.
I have been thinking about this woman all day. Ya know SE if it were a different "message" like a church nut who had caught herself on fire outside of a church would you be thinking the same way? Her previous suicide attempts and the suicide of her mother are right there in her bio on the link ya sent us SE.
even so, her message is an important one. i agree with SE... i didn't read it thorouly, but i don't believe she was mentally ill - i think if there were more people like her we wouldn't be sliding into this capitalist trap that has basically left us off not any better than the surfs or slaves on the old monarchy's.... so that our so-called "leaders" can spend all of OUR money on their war-making. it's horrible. and really, think about it. if everyone just, boycotted the system.... where would the "goverment" be.... maybe we could finally gain some of the control that these so-called democrats are supposed to be exerting on OUR behalfs... not their world ideas of control and their giant yearly salaries and celebrity. OMG! you guys have to watch zeitgeist!!!!! it's SSSOOO important! please watch it! ACK!!! i don't want to turn this into a political debate, i just.... had to put in my two cents. sorry!!!
this lady was an idiot to do that, all that did is reinforce peoples beliefs that she is crazy just like the black guy Callie4Strings was talking about. She was dumb to think that people where going to listen to her messeage because she lit herself on fire. If i heard some crazy lady lit herself on fire i wouldent want to hear what her beliefs where. for whoever i offended, sorry
i don't think lighting herself up like a torch was the smartest thing in the world... i suppose what i meant was i absolutely agree with what she had to say. not neccessarily the things she did. a college campus isn't exactly the right place to be fighting for political changes.... anyways... it's a tragic story.
well in her thr]ory it was the best place. the transformation party was just thsat a party. a celebratuion taking to the streets 1st to celebrate fredom, then to sit down and discuss solutions. odviosly the best place to begin looking for solutions would be the campuses. they still have the idealism of youth without having been beatten into submissuion by the system, they are highly educated mostly smaert full of fresh ideads with the resources to reexamine all of society and come up with better solutions. the campuses were the perfect flash opint for this. new ideas are born there all the time theories discussed and tested. take them out of the structure of the lecture hall set em loose in a local park to sit down and talk, and what do u got but a massive think tank? now ya get 1 university doing it and another joins it spreads till it spilles putta the universities into the workplaces. and like heads u loose said we have the power we walk out on the system and the system grinds to a halt. a 1 day total shutdown would be enough to get them to back down or close up shop can they force u to go bacjk to suporting them? nope ofcourse estentials like hospitols and such would need to remain functioning dioring the shutdown but it is entirely possible for ordinary peiople to shut the government down by just refusing to suport it. we wrre meant to govern ourselves.. the government of the people for the people by the people has become the government of the superrich for the superrich by the superrich. and if u dont have a 10 million campaon contribution youir voice dont mean shit. but..we have outr voices..we can use them by walking out..not contributing a cent, our contribution on a daily basis taken from thye msassaes as as wjole dwarfs that of any corporstion they cant function without outr suport.
good point SE. i agree with you on the subject of this woman. it's too bad more people cant come together and MAKE things happen.... then we wouldn't be stuck in this facist regime any longer.... sigh....
It is too bad that someone who wanted to help the world so much took herself off of it. The people who needed to hear her message the most are the ones who are least likely to listen to a "crazy" woman dancing around in front of a peace sign. They are also the least likely to have any sympathy at all for her or her message after pulling a stunt like that. I certainly don't mean any disrespect but I think her methods and suicide were an epic fail.
Also, I have to add, for someone promoting peace she chose a pretty hypocritical method of advertisement by running around shrieking while going up in flames from gasoline. To me that sounds more violent than peaceful. Also not so great for the environment using gasoline and combusting like that.
well she has definitely taken too much of my attention. i just cant support anyone who would subject innocent onlookers to such horror period.
I think if there were more people out there like her, gas prices would skyrocket again. In all seriousness, this woman was obviously mentally disturbed. You simply do not cover yourself in gasoline and light yourself on fire in public without missing some marbles. I also agree that it's incredibly sad that she thought taking her life so violently would really help her cause and make her voice heard. I feel badly for all those who had to witness the suicide as well, and definitely think this woman made a huge mistake. I see very few differences between this woman's thought pattern and behavior and the story of the woman who drowned her children in a bathtub because God "told her to".
Ignoring the ignorance will save you a lot of effort around here. But, no, you didn't just hallucinate. heads you live really did just compare the current state of government in the US to the days of legal slavery and the middle ages. (S)He really did just offend a pretty large population, and watered down one of the most hideous periods in American history. And with that, I will gladly join you in the "Pick your jaw up off the floor" corner of this thread...
