Aye, salvia is not the most pleasant, nor the most accomodating drug. Even the most experienced psychonauts can be afraid of salvia, and can have bad trips. =( It's a shame you don't plan to try it again, though. Perhaps you just need to look into salvia a bit more; it requires a pretty specific mindset to have a good trip.
LEARNING? what has anyone LEARNED while on salvia? i fust get stuck to the floor, see crazy shit (maybe blackout) and wake up all sweaty and uncomfortable. im with the thread starter.
Then why the hell do you use it? It's definatley a terribly pleasant experience, I've only used it a few times and that was purely for spiritual purposes, to try to discover somthing about myself.
1) I learned just how powerful drugs can be. 2) I learned firsthand exactly what many people were talking about, as far as perception goes. 3) I personally happen to believe that I encountered Gaia on my little trip, whether that is rationally sound or not, and I've changed myself from an agnostic to a Gaian-panentheist. In fact, a large percentage of people who have good trips on salvia claim to have been taught respect. Even a fair percentage of people who have BAD trips claim to have been taught respect.
I have had a few uncomfortable moments (maybe 8 out of over 250 brief trips on salvia), but most have been interesting and fun for me. I find a lot of relief in what might be level 4 - visionary level, just sub 5 or sub-immaterial. immaterial is a bit to much writhing to be fun, and amnesiac is too much fun to remember. I like the centered feeling of being able to look around the room and still see each position that I move my head past like an insect - multiple vision. I like the depth of perception for a brief time to be in a bigger place. I like that it ends soon and that I don't feel wasted ever. (for instance I can have some at 6AM - be somewhere special for a short time and then prepare for work and I can drive by 8AM and while at work I am fine -productive, congenial. - I don't do that every day but often enough maybe ~once per week.) If you had a hard time with salvia you probably had too much getting the right amount going can be tricky. each product shipment is a bit different and you need to sacrifice a few tries till you know your product. meantime the overlay effect is strong and confusing, but through it one could say they learned things, you cetainly do see things that you had ignored, and being free of habit for a few minutes and more opened up to what is around us is a big plus.
i deffinelty dont use salvia often, only like once every 2 months. i like to fuck with my brain as im a very deep thinkin person an i feel that salvia allows me to understand more about my self an how my brain works. also sumtimes it just makes me laugh so fukin hard.....good times
i beleive that all psydelics teach you something if you go into it with the right mindset. most people are looking to get fucked up but this is the wrong idea. these substances can allow us to think more clearly and receive messages some beleive these come from gods some beleive they come from our sub concious mind tring to sort itself out. who knows i certinly dont but these messages are vital and will help us grow as beings. respect it you never get it right the first time.
ok, so yeah i can see the "power of nature" thing. But you should not let drugs influence your religion, that is jus my belief. drugs ARE just chemicals remember, and they only effect your head. I've met myself as a third person in an overdose of K and then proceeded to conversate with a christian god, but i will not say i am souly christian, i was under the influence of a drug. On 2C-T-2 i had ego loss and came face to face with..... i forget his name, a hindu dude, the one who makes nag champa.....sai babba or something, but i read an exerpt from his book and i do not agree with his views. i am still religously the same person i was before psychedelics. and you can get to know yourself better by medatating, or mushrooms, or therapy. >for whoever said that salvia is not a teacher. i saw nothing* and thought nothing, i went catatonic. *i did see green lines graphing the room like the movie tron, but EVERYTHING else was black, it didnt teach me anything. and dont get me wrong, i try to learn from all my psychedelic xperiences, but salvia is too short and too....yucky
Ah, well, it's not exactly like I wasn't already close to believing what I do now. I was already very close to believing in it, and the salvia experience ended up being the catalyst that pushed me over the cliff. =)
You don't use Salvia as a recreational drug. I's a lot better if you get in the mindset and take the right amount and it's over. It's a very emotional experience, maybe more than any other drug.
the neatest thing about salvia, is that all sense of competition or comparison is levelled - things are quite adequate on their own terms. the short duration, and absolutely harmless physical impact (zero body loading) are unique among entheogens.
the first misconseption is that salvia is a marijuana alternative, NOT it is a phycadelic it fucks with your mind and you trip while on it you could be so into your self and be so ummmmm intelegent i guess every thing seems to make sence if your a deep thinker etc. if u want the best feeling evr this is waht you do, first wake up shower, brush ur teath, eat etc next go get like 3grams of good blue berry dro,3 should b enough if youve never smoked weed. ok around 8 or 9 pm get out a pipe and pack a few big bowls and smoke it taking deep hits and holding em for like 3 seconds, after cashing a ur 3 grams go get 3 bottles of water and a box of cheeze its(dont leave you house to get them if you dont ave them buy them b4 u bough the weed) sit you ass down on da couch and put in halfbaked or sumthin u like but nuthin with anticipation, or heartpounding and NOTHING you have to think about and enjoy it
I have had one really strong trip on salvia with 10x and 4 lesser trips with the leaves. I think it feels really hard to think or move on it. I can say it was my strongest trip but for a short time. I prefer mushrooms much better