Anyone up for a debate ?

I don't understand what you driving at Dave

 

Boring. Think of a more original debate and I might join in.

 

every anticonvulsant is dangerous, it's a question of tolerable.

pregnant women with seizures often go unmedicated.

pot would solve that

(mmm brownies)

 

Yeah I live in south Tulsa. But I geuss I just think it's so boring because i'm a minor still.

 

Dave ... Reno?

 

Ok how about the topic of socialism vs. A republic governent.

 

Blunt.. just be patient the day will come... be glad your not in Muskogee

 

Haha is that where you are ?

 

No ... NM .. but I remember hitchhiking thru there in the early 70's around the same time that song came out... couldn't get out of that town fast enough.... was headed up to Claremore from Texas... had a freind who went to military school up there.. poor fucker

 

Of course marijauna should be legalized, after all if we can do more dangerous drugs such as alchohol and tobacco without being arrested why can't we do something like green?

 

I guess my debate with you is that you don't go far enough. All drugs should be legalized and should be handled just like alcohol and tobacco.

In one fell swoop no more drug gangs, no money spent on drug offenders in prisons, lower drugs prices thus no more drug addicts robbing and stealing to pay for their drugs and all kinds of jobs will be created to help those with addictions. It's a win win situation.

 

I grok brother.... May you always drink deep :cheers2:

 

That is even more boring.

 

indeed.

 

Thanx, may you never thirst!

 

Best starter pokemon - Squirtle, bulbasaur or charmander?
'America/Japan/Switzerland/any other country is the best country in the world today'
Fruit pies or fruit tarts?
We should change the Pound for the Euro.
Should we kill celebrities for fun?
Are Pirates better than Ninjas?
Is racing/darts/horse riding a sport?

 

of course they are , duh!

 

I know but if the Ninjas would just stop hiding maybe we could have a debate about it!!

 

Not bad.

As fascinatiing a subject this one is, I think I prefer the OP, now.
Perhaps we'll get onto that one later.

Bluntking suggests the US government would benefit through greater tax revenue, but, I feel, Bluntking, may have not taken into consideration the ongoing drive to stop people smoking.

Now, in an ideal world cigarettes would be banned.
They most deffinitly would not be sold if we discovered tobacco today.
So, it seems a little bizzare thing to think they would make something you smoked legal now.

There is just too much evidence smoking is bad for you: obviously that is a given.
Sadly though, we are stuck with tobacco for the foreseeable future.

Blunkking also suggests a lot of people are in prison due to "marijuana related charges."
Possesing marijuana would put you in prison for a few months, yes.
But, most people busted for marijuana use, are in prison for other charges relating to a more serious matter - violence, jumping parole etc.

The figures:

I think it is actually approx 2.3 million people in prison at the moment - how many of those were only for using marijuana?
More likely a fewer No. than 2.3 million people.
Bluntking - in the OP - uses the TOTAL amount of people in prison to calculate the cost of keeping marijuana users in prison.
Clearly this can't be accurate.

According to some figures I have seen only - this is a little out of date though - 0.7 of the prison population (in the US), were in prison only for marijuana use.
That is about 8500 people.
Just for fun lets make that 9000.

But, hold on, Bluntking revises his figures: "Ok sorry the true number for inmate's in prison for marijuana related charges is 28,650."
I have seen a figure of 253,300 people, but this figure was: "for drug offenses."
We both can't be right, can we?

According to the American Corrections Association, the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US is $67.55. State prisons held 253,300 inmates for drug offenses in 2005. That means states spent approximately $17,110,415 per day to imprison drug offenders, or $6,245,301,475 per year.

How do we dis-entangle these figures to show how much is spent just for marijuana use? I don't think we can.

So, with out knowing the true cost of only marijuana users...
it is difficult to calculate how much is being spent.
Balancing that figure with the amount of revenue garnered by the state FROM marijuana users, is even more of a challenge.

I think if you take my 9000 people it works out to about $220 million per year

I could be accused of pedantry, here, but if we are going to bring in the financial cost, isn't it fair to get our figures straight? and see if it is actually better to not have users in prison?

Let alone the morale debate we have not had yet.

 

haha... Odon, My argument was significantly shorted than yours.

If you legalised smoking then what would children such as those in the thread below do?
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=351182&f=51