Hey everyone! - A question for contemplation

I want to start off my saying hello to everyone. I've been reading this forum on and off for about a year now. I never really felt the need to make an account because I was in denial to myself. But now I'm out to myself and it feels pretty good.

So I figured why not make an account and contribute something?!

Question -

I know that gay guys are attracted to the male form or just penis, but what about (dunno the respectful word) trannys that just dress and act like girls. No operation or anything like that. I've watched a couple of youtubers, Crocker and JohnnyBoy. (JohnnyBoy is amazing, everyone should check him out.) JohnnyBoy says he's a boy, identifies as a homosexual, but likes to act like a female - wearing clothing as well.

Are these guys a new type of transgendered person or has this type of thing been going on for awhile now.
Because to me, that makes more sense to do what they do - staying more true to themselves, then to go through all that horrible work i.e. implants, hormones, potentially sex change. Or it could be completely different - also maybe even the entirely wrong section for this one. lol.

I'm posting this in the gay section because I'm wondering if you guys are intrigued by people like JohnnyBoy. I for one find him beautiful and I think I would be attracted to him. So I"m wondering if gay guys date trannys, or are they looking for straight guys and are actually heterosexual females.

 

How does one act like a girl? There are girls butcher, rougher, tougher than me, if I act like one of them it would make me more macho

 

good one=)

but no, personality- and behavior-wise I'm not attracted to stereotypically feminine males, dicks or no dicks. men in skirts --- no thank you. not that there's anything wrong with that, just not my taste.

transsexualism/transgenderism is a completely different topic from homosexuality.

and transvestism (the thing you're talking about) however is just a fetish and has no connection to transsexualism.

 

i'm bisexual, and i find the way jeffree star / johnny boy etc dress is great. i personally have dressed up like, did my hair, my nails, my make-up just for a good laugh ; for a good night out, drag-queen style, y'know? going to a medic droid gig or something.
BUT, when it comes to male-male relationships, for me its peculiar cos a) i don't find that sort of appearance "sexy" -- it doesn't turn me on, seein as transvetitism is a "fetish" in some respects --, i prefer more manly attire,; but then again b) in a stereotypical view of same-sex relationships, i play the "male" part , if you know what i mean?

i'm the man, and the other guys are normally more effeminate than me, but not soooo effeminate they're trans.
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so... uh, there's no accounting for taste, eh? hahaa

each to their own i think

 

I don't like when people over act. When it is "too much" it becomes a turn off!

 

I find it hugely insulting, and disturbing that you class people who have sex changes as "not being true to themselves". You are obviously very ignorant about the issue. Transgender people and transvestites are in no way connected to transsexuals. Transsexuals are people who feel their born physical sex conflicts with their gender, so the surgery and hormones is used to try and connect those two things. On the contrary. it's the people who feel they are the opposite sex, but continue trying to live a lie and keep suppressing their true selves in some misguided attempt at "curing themselves" who are not being true to themselves. The people you are talking about, are transgenders/transvestites, not transsexuals. They are not even the same thing, so why talk about them as if they are?

I think this type of attitude is the very reason I think the "trans umbrella" being so wide is not helpful at all. It just sends out mixed messages, and encourages sweeping generalisations and stereotypes about groups of people who are actually very different, but are treated as being the same. The trans umbrella keeps them tied together, which I dont think helps anyone, least of all transsexuals who are fighting to have their true genders recognised.

Transsexualism is actually also a completely different topic from Transgenderism, and has no connection to it. The two things are treated as the same by most people, but they are in fact, very different things.

But yes, all those things aren't connected to homosexuality. Although some transgenders, and some transsexuals do identify as being homosexual. But then so do others who do not fall into those categories. Though female transsexuals identify as being heterosexual, not homosexual, if they are attracted to men, and lesbian if they are attracted to females.