Volunteer Army, or a draft?

and you are no lloyd bentsen

 

Yes, it's amazing how the dead can awaken on election day, but then again if it was 1960 I would've been happy Kennedy won over Nixon, and I'm happy Bush won Florida, so I can't complain either way.

 

It didn't take tens of millions of votes to steal the 2000 election. It just took the U.S. Supreme Court.

 

You are for cheating on both sides?

 

Back door draft-- Today, more than a year after major combat operations were declared "over," there are still 138,000 U.S. soldiers serving in Iraq, far more than anticipated, with the possibility of more to come.

So how is the Pentagon keeping up with demand?

One way has been to rely heavily on the National Guard and reservists, many of whom are now entering their third year of active duty.

Another has been to shift troops from one hot spot to another, including the Korean Peninsula, where despite ongoing nuclear tensions, U.S. soldiers are being shipped out to fight in Iraq.

And the Pentagon is handing out so-called "stop-loss" orders -- literally stopping the loss of troops by preventing volunteer soldiers from leaving the service, even after they've fulfilled their obligations.

 

If Bush Goes ahead with the plan he wants to do, there will have to be a draft. We don't have enough troops to do what he is wanting to do. Something like 80 percent of our military personell are already overseas. If anyone was watching the debates this was brought up. Bush denied instituting a draft but Kerry pointed out that there aren't enough troops to do what he is planning on doing. I doubt he is going to pull out of Iraq anytime soon, as long as he is president for that matter. You sure never heard him say anything about pulling out during the debates. good luck American boys

 

what i dont understand is how kerry can say "there is likely to be a draft under bush, but not me." Hasnt kerry said he wants to send 40,000 more troops?!? where is he going to get these troops?

 

I'm not saying it's right, but if it was 1960 and Kennedy won, I wouldn't complain.

 

I don't know...I want all the troops out of Iraq, don't you?

 

Isn't that truly telling as to how much the general public supports a war? Think about it: World War 2, everyone was enlisting, fucking Elvis even enlisted. That was a truly justified and necessary war. This war in Iraq and the more general war on terror is less justified, and worse, un-winnable. No one wants to get shot up or blown up doing something they aren't fully behind and that they can't be successful in anyways. No one wants another Vietnam, and no one wants 1984-style perpetual, unwinnable war. It's a drag on society.

You're right, the problem is an apathetic citizenry who still wants all the benefits. I don't so much mind cheap products, but I won't fight for them. That isn't a problem to me, it just shows I care more about my life than what I can buy for discount prices. Go figure, eh?

 

And what would you have done? I would much have a leader who thinks out his actions. And I do not think he frooze at all he was gathering as much information as he could BEFORE making a decision. There was nothing he could have done at that time to make a difference anyways.

Seriously what would you have done?

 

All of this should have been done BEFORE the war started (you said yourself that you want a president who thinks things through first). A few hundred here and there won't solve it. We have to be realistic about this.

Poland has been talking about reducing troop levels after the January elections in Iraq, as it sees this as a sign that Iraq should be able to start handling its own problems.

If Turkey could help out with 10,000 troops it would be great. It's a shame Bush couldn't do the diplomacy right with Turkey before the invasion.

 

I'll say it again. Bush is unfit for command, and not suprisingly since he never served in a real situation. He simply froze. He didn't gather any information. He didn't even ask for information. He just sat there. And this is the guy that people think they are safe with.

Anything is better than doing nothing. It was just plain foolish for him to sit there for a whole hour. There could have been terrorists ready to pick him off at the grade school. The terrorists had trained in Florida not far from the grade school where Bush was speaking. People knew he was going to be there. He got lucky.

Just to show you how inept the government is, the secret service didn't pull him out until ten minutes after the Pentagon got hit. It took them that long to realize that it was a conspiracy and to finally pull his dumb rear end out of the school before something else happened. It was obvious after the second tower was hit that it was a conspiracy.

He should have politely left and started issuing orders to the military and other agencies like the FAA. He's the commander-in-chief of the armed forces (in case he wasn't aware of it). That's more important than reading stories about the little goose while NY and the Pentagon burned.

Air Force One is a much safer place than a grade school. It's a moving target with anti-aircraft equipment and all kinds of communications equipment that Bush could have used to issue orders.

Bush could have contacted the FAA and shut down the airlines. It took an ordinary manager at the FAA in Virginia to make that call (it wasn't even a top level manager).

The ordinary people at the FAA and the passengers on Flight 93 were the real heroes, while Bush and many of the other bureaucrats at DC acted like morons. Rumsfeld and Guiliani didn't throw up there hands and say "Oh well, there's nothing we can do anyway." Guiliani did a great job of handling the situation in NY. He was right at ground zero and nearly got killed in the collapse. Rumsfeld was also out in the rubble helping to carry away bodies. At least they had some guts.

 

it took bush what, 8 minutes to leave? Christ, if it took bush 1 minute you'd be complaining it wasnt instantly.

 

You folks are really confused and need to do some research.

The 8 minutes was only the time that Bush sat there totally quiet biting his lip. The first plane hit at 8.46 am and Bush didn't leave the gradeschool until 9:45 am, about ten minutes after the Pentagon was hit.

http://www.911timeline.net/

37) 8:46:26 a.m.: American Airlines Flight 11 impacts the north side of the North Tower (1 World Trade Center) of the WTC between the 94th and 98th floors. American Airlines Flight 11 was flying at a speed of 490 miles per hour (MPH).

97) 9:45 a.m.: Bush's motorcade leaves the Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida headed for Air Force One at the Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport.

 

5) 8:51 a.m.: Bush arrives at Emma E. Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida for a photo op with 16 second graders. He is there to promote his administration's new bill on education.

i thought that was interesting.

Anyways, the SS is responsible for his safety. Blame them. Do you have any clue what happened between the time bush got up and the time he left the school?

What do you expect bush to do, don his superman uniform and fly real fast and stop the planes from crashing?

 

It's senseless even trying to have a rational discussion about this. It's a sorry state of affairs that the DNC and RNC have most of the general public socialized beyond the reach of practical reason. It's not only sad, it's scary.

 

I didn't vote for bush., i voted for Gore, but when he became our president...I trusted him and i actually used to like him...and i would get pissed off when anyone spoke bad of him..but i also started doing research and found out..I DISPISE HIM! After researching for myself, I am pissed off at myself for even liking him and taking up for him like i did..this is when i realized, we had all been duped and to the ones that are still being duped..I think you need to put yourself outside and read everything, with an open mind to see what is really going on, because you are being lied to...and i don't see how you can let someone LIE to you, all the time and take it in like a lot of you are doing.

 

Anything is better than doing nothing. It was just plain foolish for him to sit there for a whole hour.

Just to show you how inept the government is, the secret service didn't pull him out until ten minutes after the Pentagon got hit. It took them that long to realize that it was a conspiracy and to finally pull his dumb rear end out of the school before something else happened. It was obvious after the second tower was hit that it was a conspiracy.


Actually.............

President Bush was not told of the second attack until after 9a.m. and addressed the nation at 9:30. He did not sit there for an hour. He was on the phone immediately after leaving the room, which had to be before 9:30. So within a half an hour he was on the phone with Condie and preparring to address the nation. And this was well before the flight 77 hit the Pentegan at 9:38. At 9:57 Air Force One took off down the runway.
He could of only been in that classroom 15 minutes at most. But I suppose thats to long to even though it is a far cry from your hour.

Listen for you to say I am being irrational is plan childish. I do a lot of research. I read and listen to plenty of articles. Just because I dont choose your stance on things tends to get you upset. I will never say that President Bush is perfect. And there are things that I think he could handle better. But for you to say I'm blindsided is false. I have a lot of hopes and dreams for myself as well as my family and friends. There is no way I would vote for someone without thinking, researching and praying hard about it. There is all kinds of crap out there and who knows who is telling the truth about anything anymore. I do know that the reasearch I have done on President Bush has made much more sense then Sen. John Kerry. I just get peeved when people critic the stupidest stuff. Just like you talking about the soldiers...(you said)...A few hundred here and there won't solve it. We have to be realistic about this. When I actually named about 20thousand plus India.

I have heard the stupidest stuff come out of this race. Bush is related to Osama Bin Ladden, Nazis ties to Bush. Its just stupid. And what about all the negative stuff about Sen. Kerry? Its all lies right? But all the bad stuff is true for President Bush. I am voting for President Bush on his policies and I think he has done a good job for the most part. Thats my right. It doesnt make me blindsided or irrational.

I hope for everyone that we can all get along during these trying times and do what is best for our Country together. If Sen. Kerry is elected I will respect him as our President, even though I do not support his polocies.

Peace
Dzz