Politics on Campus

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I'm glad I was always bright enough not to buy into their bullshit and propaganda.


Oh yes Rat we can all see that.



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there is a certain amount going on at my college though but i dont go to a big campus or anything. today i saw this silly car covered inside AND out with bush stickers parked on campus. that was ridiculous.

 

Wow... some interesting responses here.

To clear up my earlier statement... No, not all Kerry supporters are left wing radicals. And not all Bush supporters are right wing extremists. I correct myself. I simply meant the fervent Kerry and Bush supporters.

But man... today on campus there was "B..U..S..H" (and other such nonsense) chalked on most every sidewalk slab. As if repetition alone will change some minds. It just gave me something to spit on, when I felt the inclination

 

Well, go ahead and explain yourself then: Only a month or so ago you were considering voting for Nader. Now, we all know no true Libertarian would vote for Nader-a candidate whos platform is in stark contrast w/a Libertarian's. Perhaps your political views are still in their infancy, or you're just plain inconsistent, or you do choose candidates based on their lack of popularity. All anyone has to do is look at some of your posts to see you don't like to be associated with anything mainstream. So therefore I don't think it is such a crazy notion.

Now, there is nothing really wrong with your viewpoints, I only dislike your attitude-that anyone who holds different views is gullible, brainwashed, uninformed or unintelligent. That is wrong. I've been the recipient of your accusations ever since I've started posting here, so I don't mind exposing your inconsistencies for all to see.
You seem to change your opinions once they become mainstream too. Example, you praised Noam Chomsky and then a month later ripped on him. Apparently due to Alex Jones' opinion of him. And you claim to be uninfluenced.....

 

Yes, I said MONTHS ago that I was CONSIDERING voting for Ralph Nader. So what? I would still vote for him anyday over those other two idiots, even though my political ideologies are very much at odds with his in certain areas. Unlike Nader, I am not a socialist, nor have I ever been or will be.

This was also BEFORE Michael Badnarik became the Libertarian nominee.

Keep in mind, I am a registered Independent. I am NOT a member of the Libertarian Party, though in terms of my views, I am a rather staunch libertarian (lower case "l").

However, this would not prevent me from voting for a Democrat OR a Republican if I liked what the candidate stood for.

As a matter of fact, in local elections I often vote Democrat or Republican.

I do not vote according to political party.

Frankly, I think Nader has done a lot of good for this country, and I will continue to defend him against the fascist, nazi-Democrats who want to thwart him from running for office.

My opinion is that 95% of the country, at least, fits that category. Don't take it too personally.

As I have yours. I am really only trying to wake you up. Not intentionally be mean to you.

I don't consider myself to be inconsistent, either. And I am not running for office.

I STILL like a good deal of Chomsky's work, especially his work on systems of control and propaganda. However, I do think he can be VERY disingenuous and overtly partisan in his work.

I have read almost all of Chomsky's work. Some things I agree with him on, many things I don't. Really, I think he is just a shill for the big-government, socialist left. He sees one side of the corruption while completely ignoring another. Frankly, I think he's a become a bit of a sellout and very much a puppet for the left, much like Michael Moore.

 

As of Sept. 20th you were still considering Nader, here's the link to the post where you said so: post #64
Although it probably seems like it's been months, time has slowed down these last few weeks before the election it seems.
So what? Well, I just find it odd that a staunch libertarian would consider Nader, especially one who finds it important to vote your conscience. I don't see why it's OK for you to vote for someone whos platform you disagree with but those of us voting for Kerry are sellouts.

I don't know when he became the nominee, but if it was after 9-20-04, you are forgiven.

I'm a registered green but Kerry can accomplish what I want. I don't rule out voting for any party, I just examine the circumstances each election and come to a decision.

I don't condone the efforts of some democrats to keep him off of the ballots and out of debates, etc. I find it shameful behavior, it really is wrong.

I don't, I don't take anything people type on the internet too seriously. I don't agree with that percentage either, I think a person can be too cynical for their own good.

I know my frustration sometimes results in name-calling and such, and I regret that, if only because it shows a weakness on my part. I don't know, I guess this election means a lot to me. No hard feelings.

As far as waking up, well it is my hope that this time 4 yrs. from now Eminem will come out with a video similar to Mosh and it will encourage the revolt against corporations and the global elite, I think we will be ready then.

I think you feel this way because of his endorsement of Kerry, that's your choice, but I see it as a sound endorsement for Kerry, while you see it as Noam selling out. It's not that I expect you or anyone to convert to being a Kerry supporter because someone of intelligence and influence supports him, but Noam did give sound reasons. It wasn't like he raved Kerry up, he just pointed out some valid reasons to support him.

 

College students tend to be more liberal and open minded
because they are less jaded. It isn't till they leave College that
they become entrenched in the industrialized socio-political mindset
that teaches to gather unto yourself all costs.
When you are young you still think it is worthwhile to care
about other people and the environment. When you are young
it does not seem unreasonable to help the disadvantaged so
that we all can succeed.
No, it isn't till later that people become greedy and cynical
worrying only about their little pile of gold.
Unless you remain an idealist, tree hugging hippy. There are
a few.

 

Well, fine... whatever.

I was initially considering voting for Nader since I thought he would pull more of the votes of all the third party candidates. Now, it looks like Badnarik might pull the most votes of the third party candidates, considering he's on the ballot in 48 states, compared to Nader's 36 states.

When a person votes for a third party candidate, obviously they don't expect that person to win. When I vote third party, I am simply trying to help gain attention for the third parties. If one party starts to gain more attention (it doesn't matter which one it is) the other ones will as well.

I encourage everyone to vote for anyone other than Bush or Kerry -- simple as that. I don't care if it's Walt Brown from the Socialist Party.

And Nader isn't as different from Badnarik as you are trying to make it sound, except for being at different ends of the economic spectrum. Unlike Bush and Kerry, Nader and Badnarik are both against the war and are for civil liberties. These are two of the most important issues to me at the moment.

To me, voting for an anti-war, pro-civil liberties candidate IS voting my conscience -- much, much, much more so than if I was to vote for Kerry.

He became the nominee sometime over the summer. Maybe it was't before, but it wasn't that long after, either.

But again, why does it matter? Anti-war is anti-war. Civil liberties are civil liberties.

I like you. I really do. I know you're not an idiot. I just get mad when you convey the notion that Kerry is going to somehow get us out of the shit we're in and "save the country". Both you and I know that is not going to happen.