OK, so I have heard lots of people talking about how Obama has used Lincoln as his inspiration. I haven't heard Obama say that right out, but Obama does have a lot to be grateful to Lincoln what with the Emancipation Proclamation and all. So, I got to thinking, stay with me here, how does Obama really compare to Lincoln. Well, here is one of my favorite quotes from old Abe that unite Obama and Lincoln like two north pole ends of two magnets; "Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself." See Lincoln was running on the Republican ticket, and we Republicans, we conservatives believe that if you want something you should go out and get it yourself, you should work for it, you should put in years of sweat and pain to build yourself up to get what you want. That is exactly what Lincoln, a Republican, was saying. Go out and build your own house, don't tear down your neighbor's just because you are houseless. Now, Obama wants to tax us into oblivion because some of us have had the audacity to go out and make a lot of money. And there are those poor suffering souls that can't be bothered to get out there and hit the streets with their resumes, and they live in crumbling POS apartments. They deserve welfare because the system has failed them, right? They deserve welfare because they have 8 kids and those kids need to be fed. If you buy into this bullshit, then you need to look up Star Parker. Former Crack Whore, Current Conservative Republican. Good for her, she got up, got out of her hell hole, got a job, and lifted herself out of poverty. Back to history; Lincoln beat Stephen A Douglas in the Presidential Election of 1860. Douglas was a liberal Democrat, and said in a speech in Galesburg, Illinois that the authors of the Declaration of Independance did not intend for the freedoms laid out in that document to extend to blacks. He said; "This Government was made by our fathers on the white basis . . . made by white men for the benefit of white men and their posterity forever,". To get the Democratic nomination, Douglas beat John Breckinridge, a southern democrat and a general in the confederate army and a secretary of war to the Confederate States of America. Douglas also beat John Bell a wealthy slave owner who had a big plantation in Tennessee. My point is this; Democrats used to be the ones running the slave trade and Lincoln, a Republican, shut them down with the Emancipation Proclamation. When did the Democratic party go from being the ones enslaving blacks to being the party where most black americans vote? Now we have Obama, who can thank Lincoln for everything he has, because if the south won the war most of the black people in America might still be saying "Yessir, massa. Motesur?" But Lincoln and Ulysses Grant managed to prevent that from happening. So what happened? Liberals, please read carefully what I have written. Zoomie, Aristartle, Number6, Jedite and any other Obamanics read and research. Educate me. If you can educate me on something that I missed, I welcome the information. I pray for Obama, I really hope he succeeds, because if he fails, America fails. But I'm not optimistic. What do y'all think about this whole thing?
Yeah, but the Civil War was never about ending slavery as the high school text books tell us. Most other countries phased out slavery without going to war and killing 600,000 people. Lincoln was far from a person who loved blacks and had no intention whatsoever of ending slavery before the war began. Here is what Lincoln said in his inaugural address: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it now exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Even after the first shots were fired at Fort Sumter, Lincoln insisted that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery: "My paramount objective is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it." The Civil War was all about putting the nail in the coffin of states' rights and bringing the South into the Union as dictated by the bankers.
Yeah, it sounds a lot like the bullshit Rush Limbaugh churns out to keep his flock up in arms over Obama, using partisan Democrat vs. Republican propaganda. Those who know what's going on know Obama is dangerous, but really he is not much different from Bush or any other president -- Democrat or Republican -- other than that he has a dangerously large cult following that is willing to get behind anything he says or does. That more than anything makes Obama particularly frightening. But the corporations and bankers that control Obama via their NGO's, also controlled Bush and his cohorts. Obama will merely further the same totalitarian policies put forward by Bush, but will likely have even more success than Bush under the banner of "change."
I think Immortal Technique said it best. "as much as racism bleeds America, we need to understand that classism is the real issue. Many of us are in the same boat, and its sinking, while these bourgeoisie motherfuckers ride on the luxery liner, and as long as we keep fighting over kicking people out of the little boat we're all in, we're gonna miss an opportunity to gain a better standard of living, as a whole. In other words, I don't want to escape the plantation, I wanna come back, free all my people, hang the mothafucka that kept me there, and burn the house to the god damned ground. I want to take over the encomienda, and give it back to the people who work the land. You cannot change the past, but you can make the future, and anyone who tells you different, is a fucking lethargic devil."
we conservatives believe that if you want something you should go out and get it yourself The typical "true conservative" is sitting home collecting disability or retirement, and spends his time sitting on his lazy arse listening to Rush Limbaugh for catchy little three syllable phrases to repeat. True conservatism has finally been fully tested, with conservatives in absolute control of all three branches of government for eight years. We can now toss conservatism into the trashbin of history alongside Soviet-style communism and German-styled fascism. Luckily, I think we'll see a lot of righties putting guns in their mouths in the coming months. How many will have the courage to Do It, well, I guess we'll just have to see.
Was he saying that you should go out and get it at the expense of the other person. Was he saying that legislation and regulation was good for the underdog, but bad for the wealthy? Was he saying that you should be bailed out, while the lower class faced foreclosure and layoff? Or like Joe the Plumber we should seek sponsorship from the extremely wealthy in order to promote their goals.
I'm a liberal, built my own damn house, helped build my sister's house, and will help build my daughter's house and life. What's your point?
The Republican party and Democrat party of 1860 though we're basically for the time on the opposite ends of the spectrum of where they are right now. And it's true, Lincoln did in fact not particularly like black people and said he didn't believe the white and colored man could successfully live together. He did just hate the concept of slavery in any form, so guess give him credit for that. As for not wanting to end slavery, the Republican party started on the only belief of ending slavery from that part of the Whig party when they ended. Vote shopping existed in 1860 too, saying "Our goal is to end slavery all across the country eventually" that so would not have won an election
Lincoln also said this on slavery: I think the republicans think of themselves today as having the divine right of kings. Those days are over.
EXACTLY! It's not me against you, it's about being aware that they are using us for their gains. While we focus on each other, they reap the benefits, all the while belittling our efforts and toil. Do they care about us? Only in the the amount we can benefit their bottomline. We aren't seen as individuals, we're seen as a necessary cost of doing business. And with every breathe they seek to minimize our worth and value.
They view human life as little more than a commodity, something to be bought and sold, which is entirely expendable. This used to trouble me greatly, as I couldn't think how it would be possible for another human being to act in this capacity, if they even had a shred of compassion. Then I realized that the people on the top are, in reality, psychopaths, who have nothing resembling compassion or regard for their fellow man. I think that its only these kinds of people who are driven enough to seek the kind of power they have obtained. A good article, relating to this subject... Google "twilight of the psychopaths" along with "educate yourself" its a very insightful article, which helped me experience many revalations.
Uhh, Obama admired Lincoln's mode of conduct and administerial panache. I'm sure that he is aware of the reasons behind the civil war, and it wasn't really about freeing slaves for most politicians. He's an educated and intelligent black man who reads history books. *shrugs* I thought everyone liked Lincoln. He is an American icon, right?
Oh yea Lincoln is still a demi god of man over here. Well I don't know the south might have different views
Not what today's republican's are. I doubt he'd meet with Palin or McCain, especially if McCain was entertaining Lieberman and Graham. Not sure exactly what they are...probably a new animal only interested in it's own preservation. Graham would make a better Catholic priest under the old way of doing business. McCain is just tired and old and confused. Palin is just a joke. And Lieberman is someone you can't trust, the sort of person your mother warned you about.
