You're dreaming...

The naked soul has a closet you wouldn't believe.

But to be able to remove what you've clothed yourself in is rare in the human animal. Those that can do it are set apart from the rest of humanity.

They play with life.

Because despite their immersion in this world, it doesn't touch them.

They're awake, and inside YOUR dream.



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Gaston Bachelard might have done that one. Then they had the values of immediate uncertainty to goodness. Now we have the negativity of time-forgetfulness to evil (we are the bad guys: quote me on that.)

 

row row row ur boat..

 

I think this makes the most sense as far as support for theory. Guess that's because I want it to make sense and I'm in a very peaceful state of mind (yes I'm stoned) But seriously think about it a bit, what do we ask the people in our lives who are successful? "What's your secret?" Whether jokingly or not, we want to know what they know, am I wrong? I'm thinking that even just the awareness of this as a possibility, not even beleiving outright, makes a difference. Try getting up and "pretending it's true" If I want things to be good, they'll be good. If they stop being good I ask "Why aren't they good?" Re-examine the possibility "find" the good again, whether it's a feeling, memory, daydream, or even a cup of tea lol. Could "the matrix" be on to something portrayed in a symbolic fashion? *makes mental note to re-watch the movies*

 

@ OP: Then, to follow your theory, death would have to be part of the dream. If nothing in life is real and all an illusion, then death doesn't exist. And tell me, how have I died multiple times in my life if death is just an illusion as well? Am I immortal?

 

from where am I having this dream?

I grow tired of pseudo-mystical acid head fantasy.

 

It isn't a dream literally, but it is all invented in the mind. Controlling our thoughts and attitudes is the easy part; controlling things like pain after hitting yourself with a hammer is the hard part. Wake up to this fact and the rest is a matter of lucid dreaming.

 

But is time a dream when we are bashing our heads against a wall (somehow abstract or concrete) trying to solve a phyisics problem with assumption that the initial state was for the EXACT centre beyond Time?

 

what is all invented by the mind? and where is the mind?

I think what you are trying to say is illusion...not dream. Free will is the only illusion/dream.

 

No I think it's all real. I just think we invent it - that is, everything we perceive, experience, and are otherwise aware of. In other words, nothing exists without a mind to experience it. Perception and reality are one.

 

Nothing the mind experiences exists without the mind to experience it, but that is redundant. Nothing exists AS the mind experiences it, but that something exists regardless of whether a mind experiences it or not. What we experience as a tree is not
just a tree, it is a tree only because that is what the mind experiences. BUT, that thing we see and call a tree is still there, light still touches it, and that is what we see. That thing also exists in the unseen, in the underworld, and exists only because it has the potential and being principle that caused it to manifest in the first place.

No where in this manifestation does my mind dictate.

 

Indeed there is something that corresponds to our experience of the tree, but if it is not the tree as we experience it, we can only denote it as some unknown - call it X. If it is unknown - that is, if we can't surmise its true nature - then I don't see why we can't say it's more mind - not ours, of course, since we aren't experiencing it, but some extension of (dare I say it) 'universal consciousness'. I think mind, or experience, has the capacity to do this. It has the capacity to stand on its own, to reify itself as the thing it is experienced to be (eg. a tree), and to flow and morph, becoming other experiences. The tree exists and it exists as we experience it, and it exists because we experience it. We experience it because another experience beyond our minds, which is also real as the thing it is experienced to be, gives rise to it.

I have written a whole website on this philosophy if you're interested:

http://www.mm-theory.com

 

The "tree" exists as manifestation on a strand of wyrd. Our mind exists the same. When those to strands cross, my mind experiences a "tree". The two crossed strands will forever be touched by the other, but neither strand is dependant on the other in order to be, or to have been.

 

What to you mean by a "strand of wyrd"?

I think the experience of the tree depends on that mysterious X out there that caused it - that is, it's a causal kind of dependence - but not the other way around.

 

Wyrd, english word for fate, but not in the modern understanding of fate=predestination.

Wyrd is the flow of strands in and out of manifestation, seen and unseen. This makes a great tapestry of events, and experiences.

 

I see. So there are two strands, and when they 'cross', this manifests as mind - am I following?

 

no..my mind, being only a part of my self, is on the same strand as "I" am. When that strand crosses with the strand that the "tree" manifests on, I experience the tree, in whatever way my senses experience it....and that being only a small part of the "tree". As I am more than my apperence, the tree is more than I see or small or touch...these are the things that my mind experiences, in no way are these things concrete to what the "tree" is or must be.

My mind interprets the tree, it doesn't create it.

 

Well, it sounds like you're saying the tree=X+perception, which is fine, but the mind must play a part in its creation, for it creates the perception. I maintain that the X part is also created by a mind - just not our own.

Your concept of 'strand' is still a bit confusing. How would you formally define 'strand'?

 

Imagine a thread...and knots in the thread. The thread is the strand, the knot is the manifestation...I am the knot, my fetch is the thread.

everything is a knot on a greater thread.

To understand the tapestry, imagine a loom, each thread contacting other threads, and forming the pattern.

 

Works for me (insofar as I understand it). Could the tapestry be all mental at a fundemental level? I mean, could I get away with saying that any knot that exists anywhere in the tapestry is grounded in some experience - that is, an experience that realizes itself as the thing experienced?