My friend doesnt want to try Drugs because:

A friend of mine on residence has never used any drug besides weed and alcohol recreationally. According to him, he experiences very psychedelic effects from marijuana.

I am trying to convince him that he should partake in an LSD or low 2C-E dose. I personally think hed enjoy the experience and the "provoking" thoughts of these substances.

However, he does not want to use any other drugs because he knew 2 guys that were hit by a train because they "went to pet an alligator on the tracks" (shrooms-there wasnt an alligator). I dont know the exact sircumstances or what level of hear-say is involved in this recounting, but its apparently enough for him to decide heavy drugs are a bad idea.

I obviously do not want to force drugs on someone who is unwilling or reserved, both for peer-pressure and bad-trip reasons. However, I think that a low dose of LSD can do a lot of good for a person.

Assuming that the story is true obout the people he knew, any ideas/reasoning for convincing him to give it a try?

 

Don't try and convince anyone to take acid - period.
(especially if there's a chance they could go off on a bad trip by just thinking about someone else's bad luck on it).

 

are you mental?

 

Talk about a contradiction..
Saying you 'obviously' (although I fail to see how it's obvious) don't want to force drugs on someone who is unwilling - even include the info you don't want to use peer pressure; and THEN you go asking for people's ideas on how to convince him to give it a try!!!!
Forgive me for asking - but what the fuck is wrong with you?!

 

i think he's mental.

 

Nononononono - Don't try to talk him into it. That's nuts. That's a lot of shit on your head if things go wrong mentally or legally. He needs to do what he's comfortable with.

 

- or a man of the law.

 

I think what klondike means is, "is there any way I could get the guy to be rational about this".

The four most-heard arguments I've heard against shrooms or lsd are "you'll jump out a window", "You'll get hit by a train", "you'll turn into a glass of orange juice" and "it stays in your spine forever".

The train thing isn't real. I've heard three people say they "knew a guy" who wanted to pet a bunny rabbit on the tracks and got hit by a train. Two other times it was an aligator. Once he thought he was superman.

Remember what they used to say about marijuana? "You'll go crazy and kill your mother" or "you'll kill off brain" and all that good stuff. There were even rumors that you would get hairy hands if you masturbate. It is obvious now that those are complete farce, but back in the day these things were misunderstood just as acid and shrooms are now.

Also, if the two guys died, how would anybody know what they were thinking? That one's a complete farce. Don't forget that shrooms and lsd aren't even classified as "hard drugs" either if you want to get technical.

That being said, it is his decision. He will probably be irrational about it though. If he had a real reason or even simply didn't want to then that's fine, it just bugs me when somebody succumbs to the lies...

 

Don't force the kid to take LSD--but I don't think that's what klondike is talking about. If you can present the kid with enough real information about LSD to allow him to come to the conclusion that his paranoia is irrational on his own, well, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

No argument with what you said about the horror stories. People make that stuff all the time and people shouldn't buy into things that are outrageous. However, I have been with two guys that went on major bad trips when I was with them. It was months before one of them recovered and I honestly don't know about the other cause I never saw him again. LSD may not be a hard drug but it is potent and there is a potential for bad stuff to happen. More bad stuff happens on alcohol but still it is definitely possible for things to go badly astray.

Seriously, If someone sees you doing it and wants to try, that is one thing. But to try and talk someone into something he is not sure about is not a good idea. Shit can happen.

 

people like to discover truth on their own. it often doesn't even ring the bells of truth if it's delivered by someone else. taking acid under the auspices of someone else's research is not a very good psychedelic climate. I've wanted others to experience what I have with acid but there's no way I can really steer them to those exp's. if he's into reading erowid's trip reports are good at dissolving the hearsay, but no guarantees.

 

guys relax, he's not trying to force the dude, he's trying to CONVINCE the dude. very different things, ffs.

but i don't think it's doable. if someone is willing to believe that, contrary to sources which prove its an urban legend and sources which show the safety of lsd use, then it's on THEIR head.

i just feel sorry for those people and hope they wake up before they die.

 

I dont want to tell him that the alligator/train thing is "stupid"/lies/etc, but I want to make it clear that consuming LSD (or reasonable amounts of any psychedelic) will not make you go crazy/retarded/goth/hippie/etc either temporarily or permenantly.

I dont want to pressure anyone to take a drug they have doubts about. however, it pains me equally to hear thier reasons for this are either irrational or non-existant.

 

LSD inebriation is the closest anyone will come to displaying/experiencing properties of (self induced) temporary schizophrenia, so why exactly are you trying to convince him that it won't make him go temporarily/permanently crazy? Look, man, please - if this guy wants to try it, he'll come round when he's ready; surely you understand. Best thing you can do is provide him with texts; namely Albert Hofmann's 'LSD: My Problem Child' (hell, you sound like you could do with reading this yourself) and Aldous Huxley's 'The Doors of Perception' - just 2 recommended reads. Give this fella a bit of documented insight instead of passing on your recommendation and advice.

 

yeah people who are still suckling on the teat of society and listening with glee to bedtime stories from The Man are not ready for psychedelics anyways, it would be wayyyyyyy too much of a shock for him. Wait until he is at least a LITTLE open minded about important things.

 

o.o <- -> O.O

 

Yea dude get him to read Huxley's Doors of Perception. If he isn't interested after that, there aint shit you can say to change his mind.

and if he really wants to be open to the idea, he should also read Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream by Jay Stevens.

 

id get him to read on it, but hes actually somewhat stubbornly lazy when it comes to reading.

to those that are thinking that what im trying to do/say is hypocritical: Im not trying to make him WANT a drug, I just want him to realize that it isnt as harmful as he thinks, and that he should actually look into it properly to see if its something hes interested in.

 

Nothing wrong with that;
however - the opening post and the one before last weren't articulate at all, matey!

..there's a big difference between getting him to look into it and trying to convince him with your own concepts and ideas (or, indeed, the opinions of those in here - which, if I'm not understood, was the whole point of this thread in the first place), though.

 

Just keep feeding him information on it, and get that propaganda stuff out of his head. He'll probably become ok with it, but he might not want to do it.

Maybe you should show him what you are like on it. And kinda slowly introduce it to him. Who knows, maybe if you show him that you're experienced he might feel comfortable with doing it himself while you sit him.

But yeah, one baby step at a time.