The Bush Plan in Iraq and Vietnam

His record speaks for itself: http://www.awolbush.com

 

I gotta say man, I'm anti-Bush and all, but you're freakin insane!

 

Wow that's great. Kerry is such a warrior. He served all of 4 months, and got 4 purple hearts. Usually when someone gets a purple heart they don't return to war, but he did. Kerry must be Superman. Or maybe he got them from nicking himself shaving. Kerry is a rich man also. He's a billionare who doen't release his tax information to the public, at least Bush does.

 

Sniff, sniff, it smells like northern bull shit. I provided a link to Kerry's military record. What have you provided?

 

If the truth hurts I'm sorry. I don't need to provide you with anything. I read only facts, not satire or propaganda. Anyone can make up lies, and put them on a site. It's how all presidents run their campaigns, they lie about themselves and the other candidate. As a voter we need to only study the facts.

 

John Kerry served two full tours of duty in Vietnam, which were 6 months each at that time. Some of the time he served was from the hospital bed. He still carries shrapnel to this day. You are a lying scumbag.

Both Bush and kerry have disclosed their records but Bush had portions of his missing in action.

You can't prove anything you say. How many medals from the U.S. Navy do you have?

None.

The truth hurts doesn't it Northern Scumbag?

 

I am a navy vetran, and first of all a tour in Vietnam was a year long, not six months, second, Kerry only spent 4total months in vietnam. One of his purple hearts was for a wound so small a band-aid could cover it. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

As little regard as I have for Kerry or his candidature, I find the lies and innuendo (especially that spread by other vets who neither served with him, nor have obviously bothered to consult his service records duly made public an on file with the Pentagon) to be far more onerous.

Claims about a 4 month tour are simply partisan bs with no basis in documented fact.

Here is the Pentagon's own record of Kerry's length of duty - DD214 - which shows 1 year and 7 months foreign and sea service. A far cry from the pathetic efforts of the Swift Boat Liars for Bush to smear him and divert from the pertinent issues facing our nation today through fraudulent claims about his service record.

DD214

 

Thank you Lickherish! I don't even believe these ignorant republican bloggers. It's only a matter of time before they say, "Don't believe the line the Democratic Party is feeding you, the sky is not blue, it's red. They are trying to brainwash you into thinking voting is cool. The Holocaust never happened and Hitler never killed any Jews. It's all a liberal conspiracy theory!"


All I can do is shake my head. The only reason republicans would act this way is if they are lying scum or they are afraid of John Kerry. John Kerry is their worst nightmare, a liberal hippy who is trying to change things from within the government. After he fought in Vietnam as a 19 year old kid and came out like many soldiers in Iraq today are, DISILLUSIONED. He lead war protests in the 60's which was the beginning of the hippy movement.

I love it when republicans come here and show just how full of shit they are.
George Bush can take the Iraq war and shove it up his ass along with the trolls that follow him.

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

 

I can't believe people are still trying to say he only served 4 months, when the documentation proving otherwise is available for anyone to look at.

It's amazing how many people are willing to accept a lie just becuase they like the lie more than the truth...

 

It is ashamed we can't have a good civil debate. I'm not the one who has to call people names to get attention. I must be to grown up. The website for Kerry's service record is www.vietnamwar.net/Kerry-2htm. This is one of John Kerry's own websites.

 

You link isn't working, northern.

 

I dont know how long kerry served in Nam, nor do I care. Some people say 1 yr 7 months (DD whatever, but thats time only on tour of duty TDY. Which means he could have gone several places, Nam just being one of them.) Some people say 4 months. I dont think it matters how long. He was there thats all that should matter.

The only problem I have with kerry, Is all of this purple heart packages were written by himself. (Usually when you pin a medal on, A superior officer is supposed to write your package for you. Which means if he wrote them himself, then he may have gotton somthing he didn't quite deserve.)

 

I agree that the point is that he served, he served admirably, and he was wounded in combat. Having never served in combat, it is not for me to judge the importance of his service. I believe that part of his tour of duty was on a ship at the rear (which is still more than most of us, BTW).

I am not sure that Kerry wrote his own purple heart packages...Do you have a source for this?

 

My main sources are my superiors in the AF honestly. I did some research, Just type in Kerry purple hearts, and alot of hits will pop up.

My justification is why would a superior write a package for a purple heart for someone with superficial injuries. His worst injury, he was out of work for two days.

 

Hey Northern Scumbag, your link doesn't work. Keep digging and maybe you will find some more lies about John Kerry. There are plenty of them out there because Kerry is a republican's worse nightmare. My link is supported by REAL Vietnam war veterans like John Kerry.


http://www.awolbush.com

 

Here you go my friend...


Setting Straight Kerry’s War Record


By THOMAS LIPSCOMB Mr. Lipscomb, the founder of Times Books, was the publisher of Admiral Zumwalt’s best-selling book, “On Watch.”



Senator Kerry recently wrote a letter to President Bush complaining, “You and your campaign have initiated a widespread attack on my service in Vietnam, my decision to speak out to end that war,” and warning, “I will not sit back and allow my patriotism to be challenged.”

In the absence of any evidence from Mr. Kerry of an attack from the Bush campaign, Mr. Kerry seems to have originated his own doctrine of “pre-emption.” How valid are his concerns?

No one denies Mr. Kerry’s four bemedaled months in “Swiftboats” or his seven-months’ service as an electrical officer on board the USS Gridley, during its cruises back and forth to California, or even his months as an admiral’s aide in Brooklyn, before he was able get out of the Navy six months early to run for office.

Taking a look at Mr. Kerry’s much-promoted Vietnam service, his military record was, indeed, remarkable in many ways. Last week, the former assistant secretary of defense and Fletcher School of Diplomacy professor,W. Scott Thompson, recalled a conversation with the late Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. that clearly had a slightly different take on Mr. Kerry’s recollection of their discussions:

“[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations,Admiral Elmo Zumwalt,told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam,just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass,by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets.‘We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,’ the admiral said. ‘Bud’ Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage.” And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.

Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It’s a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry.

By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt’s problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces.

Mr. Kerry now refers to those civilian deaths as “accidents of war.”And within four days of his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry applied to take advantage of a technicality which allowed him to request immediate transfer to a stateside post.

Once back in the States, Mr. Kerry joined “the struggle for our veterans,” as he called it last week in Atlanta, by joining a scruffy organization called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The VVAW’s executive director, Al Hubbard, supposedly a former Air Force captain wounded in Vietnam, quickly appointed Mr. Kerry to the executive committee.

Mr. Kerry participated with the VVAW at agitprop rallies such as Valley Forge and the “Winter Soldier” guerrilla theater atrocity trials in Detroit, finally testifying in April 1971 before the Senate as an authority on the war crimes his fellow American servicemen had committed in Vietnam.

Outside of his own “accidents of war,” there is no evidence that Mr. Kerry had then or has now the least idea what may or may not have been the realities of ground combat. However, he had no problem reeling off

for the Senate a series of unproven, secondhand allegations that would have been perfectly at home at the Nuremberg trials indicting his fellow veterans.

Mr. Kerry stated there were “war crimes committed in Southeast Asia...not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-today basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.”Then Mr. Kerry got specific:

“They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam...we are more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva Conventions; in the use of free-fire zones, harassment interdiction fire, search-and-destroy missions,the bombings,the torture of prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam.”

In other words, My Lai was just another day in the life of the Vietnam War.

This wasn’t a one-time occasion. The VVAW had been peddling this line from the day Mr. Kerry joined them and had been publishing charges like this for the previous two years. Mr. Kerry repeated them on “Meet the Press” with Al Hubbard, who was found to be a total fraud and who never served in Vietnam, much less was wounded. However, Mr. Kerry has never renounced the charges he made.

Recently, his fellow VVAW supporter, Jane Fonda, has tried to minimize a potentially damaging picture of him a few rows behind her at the three-day VVAW Valley Forge rally in September 1970.And many members of the press fell for the line that it was accidental or coincidental,including Fox’s Chris Wallace and ABC’s Tim Russert.

However, there were only eight or nine speakers that day, including Donald Sutherland, Mark Lane, Bella Abzug, and Ms. Fonda. And far from being a casual audience member, Mr. Kerry, an executive committee member, not Ms. Fonda, was the lead speaker.

Ms. Fonda had been funding VVAW events since before Mr. Kerry joined its executive committee. At Valley Forge, Ms. Fonda said: “…My Lai was not an isolated incident but rather a way of life for many of our military.”

Their appearance together in that picture may be a lot of things, but it was not a coincidence.

Mr. Kerry has already confessed his complicity in killing civilians as “accidents of war.”However, he has offered a classic Nuremberg defense that this was not only a commonplace occurrence throughout the Vietnam War, but he was carrying out a policy “with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command.”

His commander of naval operations in Vietnam, who specifically designed the mission that Mr. Kerry and the other Swiftboat commanders executed, Admiral Zumwalt, clearly disagreed. An examination of the truth behind this disagreement is not an attack on Mr. Kerry. It is a matter of vital historical interest.

 

This article is one of the dumbest, most slanted and useless things I have seen posted here in a long time.

Vietnam vet and former POW John McCain calls this SWIFT campaign "dishonest and dishonorable."

When asked about Kerry's service in Vietnam, President Bush said ""He views it as honorable service, and so do I" and on another occasion that "John Kerry served admirably in the military and ought to be proud of his record".

Kerry was recommended for a bronze star by Jim Rassman, the Green Beret he rescued. You, however, rely on a slanderous hearsay quote of a dead admiral who wasn't there.

Pathetic.