ideas of reference or...what you can do with the gulliable

Ideas of reference and delusions of reference involve people having a belief or perception that irrelevant, unrelated or innocuous phenomena in the world refer to them directly or have special personal significance.

While that definition refers to phenomena in the "world" the fortunate circumstance is that humans for the most part mostly pay attention to human activities, the most basic of which is conversing.

So, there will be people on this earth who will believe that what just came out of your mouth relates to them. Right, so you've got their attention without even trying. The tricky part is saying something that has great impact without being too deliberate about it, thus from their perspective it comes from nowhere and hence has the most impact. As you successively shunt this individual into a frenzied state of discontent they begin to loose contact with reality and therefore are less prone to question the whereabouts of a comment. SO yourself as the aggressor are in a position of power...you can put more emphasis into your offhand comments without the victim questioning it. And when they eventually do question it its mostly their fault to begin with so a quick quip about their pathetic nature quickly annihilates their discontent towards you and your co-operatives. All the while, this individual is becoming very detached from reality. This may infact have an effect of drawing you into this hyper space where your attention is also drawn to them, with this surreal experience of the disturbed individual you can accurately and articulately describe them to the point of seemingly psychic ability.

From time to time, the disturbed may rear their head but fear not for serious reppuccusions because not only were you barely aware of what was happening, they can't remember exactly what happened either.

 

This has, as exactly as you described it, happened to me, but could you explain it in further context, like as to what makes one undergo a delusion of reference? Besides gullibility, I'm guessing spacing out, being detached from the main conversation of a room full of people, but hearing things once in a while and claiming them as directed at you?

 

Yay I'm glad someone responded..I was beginning to think I was far to specific to my own experiences.

spacing out...anxiety...paranoia...in touch with the aether...obervational...bring it about in a way, but so do the people around you and your past experiences...well really its how you perceive them and relate the situation to experience that plays a big part in becoming you spaced out, anxious/paranoid or what ever...
in a nut shell your percieved enviroment

I think this is part of it anyway,
when you're high/elated or what ever...when your brain is 'ticking' right, then the subconcious can work with what would normally be background noise. So ideas floating in your head will in a sense connect it with whats going on around you..its like when you feel something is about to happen i guess but its more your lower self so its better at it...less thinking perhaps?

i can give a IRL example later on instead of these vague descriptions..a few happened last night that ill think over while im off having dinner

 

Ah yeah a real life example..

Well again and again I'll imagine something depressing/embarrassing then people around me will burst out in laughter. That's just chance I think.

Since I've calmed down a lot they don't happen so blatently but about 2 days ago was going to a party where I suggested my gf bake a cake with cakes inside it as the birthday present...she didn't which annoyed me a little but no problem there. Instead she backed a bunch of cup cakes and iced them as a tower of cup cakes...when we gave it to the birthday girl someone in the background started saying something like "..its like heres your cake...and inside, more cake!" which i twisted to mean my idea even tho i hadn't told them about it or it was even done.

As I said it wasn't an intense version of it...but belief that it was something strange...that these people knew things about me which I believed they shouldnt...the belief that its possible allows something a bit stranger to occur,

Being out of practice in the strange experiences I got overwhelmed by it and just phased out

But a lot of it is that if you are uneasy then your environment will be unsettling towards you...I'm sure most of it is reactionary, most people aren't out to humiliate you it's just that your tension pushes them to react. As for the mechanism of all that? belief i guess...everything else kind of works towards achieving it.

 

Gotcha man; I think for me personally, experiencing this is probably a result of getting stoned and listening to music a lot, since when I'm stoned I usually attempt to find out what exactly the artist's song is about, and it just so happens that the meaning often has to do with some situation I've experienced in my life (as in I'll think it's more specifically suited to me than otherwise). I mean, being the kind of kid that often drowns out or ignores the conversations in a room b/c he's listening to music, maybe my listening skills are off, but practicing at taking very individual meanings from non-individual things might just effect the way my mind functions when in the same state of mind (stoned).

 

I dunno if you feel like this, but I tend to just watch a lot of the time...seldom being part of the chaos that's social life. I think I get where you talk about pulling apart music from you're perspective and relating you're own experiences to it. I think some would say doing that leads you not just to change the way you look at music, but conversely the way you look at the experiences you are relating.

Sounds like something I do with things, analyze them till its a part of me..I wonder where it comes from, thanks that's something to think over