Obama is an idiot, I've known this for months. Now he wants to close Guantanamo Bay. WHAT?!?!?!!?!? Where the heck are we going to put these assholes that are there in Gitmo, in Cuba, because they want to destroy the way of life that we enjoy in the US, UK, Brazil, Australia, Spain and other prosperous countries of the world. These people want to destroy us, and they do not deserve any civil liberties. They are not US citizens and do not deserve the due process that I deserve if I get arrested. Obama has no plan for what to do with the prisoners if Gitmo is closed. 61 previous prisoners that were released have been suspected of returning to their terrorist ways. Actually, I don't agree with the existance of Gitmo prison in the first place. But now that we have it, what I would do is single out the most lowly insignificant of the prisoners and let him go. BUT first I would make him witness the mass execution of all the other prisoners after they had been tied down and wrapped up with pig fat and doused in pig blood, then buried with the pig carcasses. Gross, but it would be effective. They can't get thier 72 virgins if they have come into contact with pigs. Then the one that was let go would tell the others not to fuck with America.
Get real! It's all window dressing. While they're talking of closing Gitmo, they're opening up a whole bunch of mini-Gitmos right here in the US as well as abroad. And seriously, most of the people in Gitmo were put there simply because they didn't have any documentation. It's the media that has made you think they're all terrorists that want to cut our heads off. Gitmo is an atrocity, and these atrocities won't end with Obama. He'll simply pull a few PR stunts to make people believe he is putting an end to it, but make to doubt they will continue under the cover of darkness as Obama is no different than Bush.
what makes you believe that the western ways of life are just and right..? They are human beings.. I hate to sit here and argue with you over something so simple .. I also served in Iraq and Afganistan.. The prisoners Ideas are no more radical than any of the free roaming Insurgents in the world. Imo they should just drop them off on the coldest mountain top in afganistan they can fend for themselves.. while that might not sound like a good idea. It might just be worse than any torture you can think of. subfreezing temperatures and 100's of mile from any village taliban may have hideouts.. Honestly it would be a miracle Or a great act of Allah if they did survive.. But they were set free..
Free Omar Khadr! He's just a fuckin' kid you crazy Americans! Send him home! Please, just close down Guantanamo Bay and let us deliver true justice instead of unlawful detention without trial. FFS. Not every prisoner in that place was a criminal. Most of them were suspects and thrown into a cell like slave and tortured. 95% of them have 0 convictions for the alleged crimes that they're accused of.
Hint: if you ever find yourself publicly advocating torture and mass executions as "effective" you need to take a really long walk and do some deep thinking...I don't mean a 5 minute stroll to the store and back...I'm talking you need a long, long, long walk and get your head unfucked.
The wealth and prosperity of your world will always be at the expense and exploitation and rape of everyone else. Freedom is for everyone dude. Not just you.
I agree with you and I'm also a crazy American from the US part of North America to be more specific. I shake my head in disbelief while they use fear to get the people to agree to remove our rights. Benjamin Franklin said " People who will give up their rights for security, will end up with neither." Didn't look it up may have the wording a little askewed. peace brax
Set him free because he's probably innocent. And, he was 15 when he was charged with the supposed crime. He can come home to Canada, but he can't be tried for a murder crime that happened outside of Canada. The only crime he can be charged with is some lesser participation in terror crime or some such. He will either be sent back home to Canada or back to the USA they say. But Canadians have been trying to bring him back to Canada for years so I think he'll end up back here.
Bush and Cheney tried their best to change Obama's mind right before he took over. I am glad he didn't. Where should these detainees be held? Where they should have been from the beginning: On the American mainland within the American Justice system. Held within the confines of constitutional individual rights, and legal justice. http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/03/27/secstate_0328.html All previous Secretaries of State, including Kissinger said that was the best thing that could be done by any new president to instill a new image for the US in the world. And I don't think they were wrong. It is the biggest smear on our reputation that Bush/Cheney were ever responsible for. Would they be a threat on our soil? No more so than Timothy McVeigh was. During previous wars prisoners of war were housed here. Now we have a huge Homeland Security Department, shouldn't we be even safer? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~txrober2/TissingI.htm
Did you honestly mean to say "constitutional individual rights"???? Oh hell no!! You, I, Timothy McVeigh and the UniBomber deserve the "constitutional individual rights" but terrorists from Iran or Jordan definately do not. Under the Geneva Convention certain acts are not permitted during war (Like that shit that went down in Abu Ghraib) and should not be tolerated. However, these terrorist threw out the Geneva Convention with their terrorist attacks. Yes, Gitmo should not have been created, these people should not have been detained. They should have been shot. I didn't read all of your article about the prisoners of war from WWII, because I think it was mostly about the illegal detainment of hundreds of thousands of Americans who just happened to be of Japanese origin. They were not dangerous criminals, and the US government was very wrong in rounding these people up and putting them in camps. But then the US government usually screws things up, which is why it is almost always best for the government to just step off. Throughout history just about everytime the US government stepped in and made legislation on a topic, they screwed something up. There have been good results, but generally the government has screwed something up with legislation. Obama is going to be the biggest mistake ever made by the American people.
I meant exactly what I said! Under our constitution all people deserve equal treatment. Why reserve our rights only for the UniBomber and Timothy McVeigh? Because they are white? God you've got it wrong. And now you are adding Jordan and Iran to the list. Have they done anything to us? What has Jordan done to us? What has Iran done to us? What did Iraq do to us? Your way of thinking and the Bush/Cheney admistration is exactly what has cost this world so much. And your hatred will no longer be accepted.
Fawkes, let me ask you this question. If Iran sent operatives to the US, kidnapped a US citizen, took them to a "Detention Camp" elsewhere and then kept them there for 5 years as an enemy combatant, claiming without proof that this person was a danger to Iran. Would that be okay with you ? What if this person was CIA Agent who actually was fomenting anti-government violence in Iran, would it be okay then ?
Closing Gitmo is a joke. They're going to "change" torture chambers and make the world think he's ending Bush's 8 year tour of madness and insanity. Just like they're going to "change" the troop locations and call it ending the war. Don't be fooled by Obama and closing Guantanamo Bay.
He is ending the Bush/Cheney reign of terror. He's applying constitutional law to all Americans and all those held by America. Way past time if you ask me.
Omar Khadr the youngest prisoner at Gitmo and the only Western National presently held there should be sent to Afghanistan or Pakistan or Palestine or Egypt but not to Canada. He is a Canadian of convenience only. His mother travelled to Canada to give birth to her children returning regularly to the Middle and South East for the purposes of engaging in or supporting Terrorism. The Khadrs use Canada for protection, our medical system and for funding of terrorism. They are not Canadians by my measure. And he is most certainly guilty of terrorist actions regardless of the age at which it occured. Here are some of the members of the esteemed family which bred this terrorist.(published in 2002) Patriarch Ahmad Said al-Khadr met Osama bin Laden in 1985, funneled Canadian taxpayer moneys to him, eventually moving his entire family to Afghanistan to join him, dying in an October 2003 shoot-out with Pakistani forces. Wife Maha Elsamnah took her then-14-year-old son Omar from Canada to Pakistan in 2001 and enrolled him for Al-Qaeda training. Daughter Zaynab, 23, was engaged to one terrorist and married, with Osama bin Laden himself present at the nuptials, a Qaeda member in 1999. Zaynab endorses the 9/11 atrocities and hopes her infant daughter will die fighting Americans. Son Abdullah, 22, is a Qaeda fugitive constantly on the move to elude capture. Canadian intelligence states he ran a Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan during the Taliban period, something Abdullah denies. Son Abdurahman, 21, reluctantly trained with Al-Qaeda, was captured by coalition forces in November 2001 and agreed to work for the Central Intelligence Agency in Kabul, Guantánamo, and Bosnia. He returned to Canada in October 2003, where he denounced both extremism ("I want to be a good, strong, civilized, peaceful Muslim") and his family's terroristic ways. Son Omar, 17, stands accused of hurling a grenade in July 2002, killing a U.S. medic in Afghanistan. Omar lost sight in one eye in the fighting and is now a U.S. detainee in Guantánamo. Son Abdul Karim, 14, half-paralyzed by wounds sustained in the October 2003 shoot-out that left his father dead, is presently prisoner in a Pakistani hospital. http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2004/04/the-khadrs-canadas-first-family-of-terrorism.html This is not the Typical Canadian Family http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khadr_family
If all that evidence is true than an open and legal prosecution will find him guilty. Why do we need to hide these people offshore, or hold them indefinitely? Subject them to torture? What do we gain from that kind of behavior? You outline crimes or offenses his family committed or accused of performing, if I was held responsible for what other members of my family did I'd be in jail. What exactly was it he was arrested for?
Khadr is accused of killing a U.S. soldier with a hand grenade during combat with U.S. forces, planting mines to target U.S. convoys, and gathering surveillance at an airport in Afghanistan. He would have died had he not been treated by American Medics. I doubt he would have any trouble killing more Americans given the chance. I don't know what a "fair trial" would be. It's not like there are CSI technicians with fingerprints and residue analysis. He was in Afghanistan with a terrorist band attacking Americans. He was not at home in Toronto sharpening his hockey skates and visiting the Sugar Bush.
