Learn research chemical long hand

Discussion in 'Synthetic Drugs' started by binary shadow, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. binary shadow

    binary shadow Visitor

    Back when I was new to research chemicals it would always piss me off to see a long hand chemical formula (2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenethylamine) written instead of the short hand (2c-i).

    It is nice being able to read the long hand and understand what they are with out having to check references such as Erowid. Here is a little guide on how the naming standards are done.

    2c-X

    2c stands for the two carbon chain. the variable X in 95% of cases represents what is on the 4- position of the molecule.

    For example,

    short hand: 2c-b

    Long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine

    Short hand: 2c-i

    long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodophenenthylamine

    short hand: 2c-e

    long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylphenthylamine

    I am sure you get the picture. There are VERY few exceptions, one of the I believe two total exceptions is 2c-d which is

    2,5-dimethoxy-4-methylphenethylamine

    So you would think it would be 2c-m but for some reason it was not named this way. I think shulgin gave an explanation for this but I can't remember it off the top of my head.


    Anyways, the DOX compounds:

    DOX are simply amphetamine counterparts of the 2c-X. Amphetamine = Alpha-methyl-phenethylamine. Amphetamines have three carbons, that is the only difference between a DOX and the corresponding 2c-X

    Example:

    Short Hand phenethylamine: 2c-B

    Long hand phenethylamine :

    2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromophenethylamine

    Amphetamine counterpart: DOB

    Amphetamine long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine

    Amphetamine really long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo-alpha-methly-phenethylamine

    Here is another example but not as Detailed:

    Short hand phenethylamine: 2c-i

    Short hand amphetamine: DOI

    Long hand amphetamine: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine

    You get the general idea. The amphetamines have the two naming exceptions as the phenethylamines. Anyways:


    2c-t-X and Aleph-X

    The 2c-t-X naming convention is based on the Aleph-X naming conventions. The X is interchangeable between 2c-t-X and aleph-X. The molecule on the 4 position is thio (sulfur). The 2c-t-X are phenethylamines and the aleph-X are amphetamines. What is connected to off the thio on the molecules can not be determined by looking at the short hand but needs to be memorized. This isn't too hard to do. Here are some starter examples:

    Short hand phenethylamine: 2c-t-2

    Long hand phenethylamine: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthiophenethylamine

    Aleph counterpart: Aleph-2

    Aleph long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthioamphetamine

    Aleph really long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethylthio-alpha-methyl-phenethylamine

    see how that works? Same with the others

    Short hand phen: 2c-t-7

    long hand phen: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-propylthio-phenethylamine

    Aleph counterpart: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-propylthio-amphetamine


    anyways now we have the 2c-t-X and aleph-X down


    Hot-X:

    The Hot compounds are the n-hydroxy versions of the 2c-t-X. They are said to degrade into the 2c-t-X they mimic. In some countries with out analog laws, Hot-X comes in handy as it essentially is the illegal drug it mimics (it breaks down into it in the body and over time) but it isn't itself specifically illegal. The reports I hear from people who have used Hot-7 (the only hot on the market I know of) do report it as being slightly different than 2c-t-7 though. Lab tests are inconclusive on it, some finding it to be 2c-t-7 and others finding it to be hot-7 , possibly due to break down contamination.

    Anyways naming convention for it:

    non n-hydroxy phen short hand: 2c-t-7

    non n-hydroxy Phen long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-4-propylthio-phenethylamine

    N-hydroxy counter part short hand: Hot-7

    N-hydroxy long hand: 2,5-dimethoxy-n-hydroxy-4-propylthiophenethylamine


    see how that works?

    For the fly compounds I don't feel like explaining how they work it is pretty advanced and I would need to reference it not get it off the top of my head. If you see difuran in a chemical long hand though it is a -fly compound of some sort.

    here are some pointers for tryptamines also:

    5-meo = methoxy group on the 5 position

    4-aco = acetoxy on the 4 position

    4-ho = hydroxy on the 4 position

    DMT = dimethyl-tryptamine

    DET = diethyltryptamine

    Dipt = diisopropyl-tryptamine

    Mipt = methyltryptamine

    etc. It is like a puzzle you can usually put the tryptamines together fairly easily. Too many different combos for me to list a ton of examples.
     
  2. blitz7341

    blitz7341 Banned

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    oh i love refering to research chemicals on longhand. all my friends think im such i chem wiz because i know it but its really fairly simple.

    also ive always wondered about 2c-d....


    also you probably want to edit the aleph-2 longhand
     
  3. binary shadow

    binary shadow Visitor

    Oh nice catch, I accidentally ended it with phenethylamine instead of amphetamine. Sorry about that mistake and thanks for pointing it out to me.
     
  4. klondike_bar

    klondike_bar Senior Member

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    you can usually spot an interesing compound by the "2,5-dimethoxy-4-...."

    im about 1/2 way through pihkal (1/4 counting the second section), and im loving it.
     
  5. Toejam

    Toejam Member

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    Yeah, haha the longhand names are useful in situations where you can't specifically state what you are referring to, for example:

    Person 1: "Hey man, what did you get up to the weekend?"
    Me: "Oh, you know, a bit of 4-acetoxy-n,n-dimethyltryptamine, was quite fun. I believed I was a triangle for about 4 hours!"
    Person 1: "Pfft yeah ok whatever"

    haha ;P
     
  6. yoaj

    yoaj Member

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    great post. very informative.

    hhaaha and yea, speaking of the compounds in longhand is quite funny when people have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    i would love to eventually double major in some kind of pre-pharm or chem and eventually developed and research chemicals just like shulgan. im not sure if that is too far fetched..
     
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