Possible HIV/AIDS Cure Breakthrough

There is so much ignorance in this thread it makes me want to hurl science books at all of you.

WaterBreather, you have provided NO scientific evidence to back up any of your rediculous claims, and that fact that you actually live in South Africa worries me even more (if it's only a <1% transmission rate than how the hell did so many africans get it??) And for your information, I'm immunosuppressed because of the medication I take--it doesn't mean I have HIV/AIDS (and yes, I've been tested). Give me one credible, peer-reviewed scientific source to support your claims. Otherwise, I will continue to promote the idea that you are full of shit.

As to the people who think it's a conspiracy...why is it seemingly necessary to turn everything into a dark, sordid plot by The Man? What about the Bubonic plague that killed 1/3 of Europe? Did they make that up too? So...if it's rather common for viruses to occur in nature, and wipe out large scores of the population, why is it so hard to believe the AIDS virus isn't any different? I concede that there's money to be made in keeping people sick, but in order for your conspiracy to be true, it would mean that every single doctor and every single medical scientist and every single humanitarian organization would have to be in on it, for the last 20 years, with absolutely no whistleblowers. It just doesn't make sense.

Population in the west has been stabilized because our women are more educated, we have more money, and our children have a much greater chance of survival into adulthood. Not to mention much better access to birth control. Therefore, we don't need to have as many kids to ensure some of them make it. It's common sense, and it happens all over the world when these conditions are met. It's not conspiracy.

And YoMama, if "they" really needed the population to be high because they need people to send off to war (as if we don't have enough robot-controlled weapons systems), wouldn't "they" just reinstitute the draft? And you wanna tell me AIDS is caused by the drugs that treat it??? Have you ever spoken with actual AIDS patients? HAve you ever been to Africa and met with woman who already had full-blown AIDS and then recieved medication and had their T-4 counts bounce back?? Oh no wait, you haven't, because it's much easier to sit in your suburban house and spew out bullshit on an internet forum.

 

it is easy to kill off all traces of hiv and, cure everyone who has ever contracted hiv. we have known of that cure since hiv was first discovered.
the cure is quite simple... just raise body tempture up to around 120 degrees and you kill all the hiv; you also kill the person who has hiv too! that is why that cure for hiv has never been use either!

 

No I haven't ever been to Africa but I have known many people with Aids and hiv+ here in America. Probably I was with some of the 1st people in America to have it before you were born actually.

I remember all the "scare" when it first came out in the form of propaganda in the news I am a natural health care worker and have been for over 30 years. I do totally disagree with modern sciences treatments. It is possible that I may have some clue about what I am talking about and at least as much of a clue as you think you have. I have seen people that I knew very well die from it and also live with it.

I try to write as small a phrase as possible to maybe stimulate someone to look deeper. I suppose I should have posted a link for reference:

http://cancertutor.com/Other02/AIDS.html

 

Tell that to the MILLIONS of people who died , that never received or even heard of HIV drugs.

You left out 1 small detail to your claim, Millions died before (they) even knew what the disease was, let alone the MIllions that died before ANY drugs were available.

Explain that please.

Is that why you posted a link to Cancer Tutor ?

Gotta love this part,

A Discussion Of The Use of the Term "Cure,"
by R. Webster Kehr

Because this website uses the term "cure" many times, it is necessary to delineate what this website means when it uses the term "cure."
If the average "man on the street" were asked what it meant to "cure cancer," he or she would no doubt say that a cancer patient was "cured" if their cancer was gone and they were no longer using any prescription drugs.
This website uses what might be called the "alternative medicine" definition of "cure":

• "A person is 'cured' of their cancer if the number of cancer cells in their body is less than, or equal to, the number of cancer cells in the average person. It is also hoped that their immune system is able to kill newly developing cancer cells (every person has newly developing cancer cells)."

The definition of "cure" that orthodox medicine uses is this: A cancer patient is "cured" if they live 5 years from the date of their diagnosis of cancer.
This definition of "cure" ignores the physical condition of the patient, it ignores how many cancer cells they have, and it ignores how long they are expected to live after the 5 year mark. For example, if they die 5 years and 2 days after they were first diagnosed, they are counted as a "cured" cancer patient.
Why does orthodox medicine use a definition of "cure" which is so vastly different than what the "man on the street" would use?
The reason is that orthodox medicine has no interest in "curing" cancer the way the "man on the street" wants cancer to be cured. Their definition is designed to make orthodox medicine look good if they are able to convert cancer into a chronic disease.





Where THEY have their own definition for cure, i'll stick to the old definition of cure, Guess i'm a "man on the street" lmfao, nutters.

 

You ignorant buffoon. I had a liver transplant three years ago because I was so encephalopathic (ooh, lookie, I used an evil science word...do you even know what it means?) I had less than seven days to live. My ammonia levels were through the roof, and my liver had shrunk down to the size of my fist. IT SAVED my FUCKING life. What would YOU have suggested I do? DRINK SOME FUCKING HERBAL TEA????? Oh no, wait, I couldn't have had any tea, because I was in a fucking COMA!!

SO let me get this straight, if you get into a head on collision, your head is bleeding, your tibia is protruding from your skin, and you suddenly don't remember your name...what are you gonna do?? Go to the ER, or tell the ambulance drivers to take you to your acupuncturist???

You can obsess over natural healing crap all you want, but don't ever downplay the role modern medicine has had in SAVING COUNTLESS LIVES. There's a time for getting an aromatherapy massage, and then there's a time for taking your ass to the ER. And don't act like there aren't crooks out to get money in the alternative health world. And don't act like your more equipped at saving lives than a doctor who's been through 4 years of medical school and 3+ years of additional training, who knows how to perform surgery, even in EMERGENCY situations.

 

This thread is about HIV not your health condition or mine or what I might choose if my tibia were broken and protruding from my skin.
Does your liver transplant give you special rights to be insulting and antagonistic?

I am sorry you were so sick that a liver transplant was your only option. I would have never chosen this option for myself. No obsession here. Just my point of view. I would rather die than have this kind of treatment and know I had to have medical support for the rest of my life. To me that would not be living. I would choose to let my body do whatever it could do or not do. Not that it matters but there are a lot of people who feel the same as I do about their health.

I have sat at many a bedside in my life while people suffered with their illnesses many of them being treated with chemo and other modern science treatments and they still died in pain. I happen to believe that death is a cure for illness. When I watched my father die at a very young age of cancer I decided I would make it my life study to find out how to prevent this horrible disease in myself.

I respect peoples wishes for how they wish to be treated. The most I could ask of you is that you be respectful.

 

I'm usually not that into conspiracy theories, but the 'HIV is manmade' is something I would be more likely believe.

Comparing it to the plague and other diseases really doesn't work... there have been enormous leaps forward in medical science since a lot of those diseases were widespread, with most of the significant ones in the 20th century. In the 13th century, most people didn't even realize that they could get sick by touching infected people... they thought it was God who was doing it. Nowadays, most of us know better.

On the other hand, the 20th century has seen both a tremendous upsurge in awareness of how diseases work, as well as experimentation with cures, viruses, biological warfare... not to mention Eugenics programs by several nations including Nazi Germany and yes, the United States.

There is a credible link between the first outbreak of HIV in New York city and the gay-men-only (and largely ineffective) Hepatitis B vaccination program that ran in New York in 1979.

I'm not saying that this definitely is the cause of it, just that it shouldn't be ruled out on the basis of it seeming 'too paranoid'.

 

I believe it is possible that HIV is man made.

When HIV was first recognized there was "rumor" that only gay men could get it. Which seemed highly unlikely to me being that gay men are still human.

Medical science has evolved into something that I just am appalled with. What happened to simple treatment? Why has treatment turned to cruel and unusual punishment?

 

The gay/HIV belief was because these people were easy targets. When people don't know the cause of something, then they blame it on a population that is hated (for the most part). For an example, when people step into an old abandon building and feel weird they assume that it is haunted. When people cannot answer the "whys," then they blame it on something/someone else.

The ONLY reason why I believe that a cure for hiv/aids will not be available anytime soon is due to the fact that pharmaceutical companies make a ridiculous amount of money with the current medications that hiv/aids patients take on an everyday basis.

And as for where/how hiv/aids came around, it was NOT created by man. As animal and plant populations increase, more bacteria, parasites, virus, etc. grow, which allows the oppertunity for more illnesses to develop. Naturally, this is population control. It happens within ALL living things. The hiv virus has means to survive and is mutating. As it mutates it creates more types of hiv. The reason why it is mutating at such a rapid pace is because it has found the perfect environment to do so.

Wow, some people need more science in their lives. It baffles my mind how uneducated people are. Hopefully, I can change that. I'm a science teacher.

 

^^^ A 23 year old science teacher???

No one is saying that viruses don't happen within nature. Just that this one in particular could have been created by human beings, whether deliberately or not. Nothing you have said has managed to convince me that you know any more or less than anyone else here, and just stating that you're a science teacher isn't going to win you any more credibility until you can prove without a doubt that you have actual evidence that HIV isn't manmade.

Ultimately, this isn't a question of science-- everyone knows that it is fully possible for the virus to have been manmade just as it is possible for it to have been a natural phenomenon. This is a question of whether or not there are people in this world who would be capable of doing such a thing-- and unfortunately, the answer to that one is probably yes-- we have historical proof of that.

 

If it was created by man then I think it is possible it was created to kill the gay population. As far as science goes I believe a virus can be made with genetic markers to seek out certain things in the different life forms.

I believe this is why they have yet to remove mercury from vaccines because it may have something in it to prevent people who have the potiental to be great thinkers or extremely creative from having a chance to use these talents to wake up mankind from his sleep and trust in governments and agencies like the FDA who are suppose to have our best interest in mind.

When you look at the stats of how many people die as a direct cause of FDA approved medication and compare it to lets say how many people die because of illegal cocaine use your eyeballs might just pop out of your head and you might just get really angry and what government controls are doing to out health care system.

 

No.

The actual cure for aids is Education.

And with that,