Israel is the opium of the people, and other Arab taboos

It is very rare to see something like that - a well balanced opinion of the Mid-East conflict. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...Comment/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20081229.wcogaza30 If my interpretation is correct, what she claims is that Arab dictators use the Israel issue to sedate their citizens with hatred so they will forget about the horrible abuse their suffer in their own countries

 

Don't you have a short video or something?

 

nope , it's an article...
not that long..

 

ALRIGHT, LionofJudea.

 

The article itself is somewhat skewed. I do not think that these governments use Israel to such an extent, even though one cannot deny the fact that they focus much of their attention on Israel in the wake of human rights catastrophes within their own countries.

The rest of the facts that the article states are very valid though. I try to tell people about the mistreatment the Palestinian people have received through other Arab nations, and how it was those nations, and not Israel who have made them into refugees... yet my comments never pass past the thick skulls of some of the people here, so I do not bother trying much anymore.

All in all, this is a very good article, not too deep, but very well written for someone who is not familiar with the facts, or worse... thinks that he knows the facts but truly doesn't. The fact is that these dictators do not care about their people, and especially not about the Palestinian people. They are simply using them and Israel as tools to fuel hate.

The Hamas is the worst of them all. They WANT more civilian casualties because it increases support for their cause within the Arab world and makes Western nations pity them and cry out for them. This fuels their fanatic religious battle to destroy Israel at every cost, with ideology, money, and weapons. The more dead Palestinians, the more Hamas supporters. It's no wonder that they use civilians as human shields... it's for their own greater good.

The entire situation is disgusting. It is especially disgusting because it forces Israel, an advanced socially-progressive pacifist Democracy, into war. The modern Israel isn't very good at waging war, it hesitates too much, it cares too much. Lebanon of '06 was a great example of this. That was the first war that Israel did not "win", as far as winning goes in such things. It did not win because the leaders were inadequate, the defense minister was a buffoon, and everyone hesitated too much, too much indecisiveness. I do not understand why people keep on claiming that Israel wants war, and wants to expand its lands when in reality the economy of the country, not to mention the living standard, is much better at times of people... and it even removed those fanatic idiot settlers from the occupied territories. Sadly, peace will not be possible in Israel until the terrorist organizations will be destroyed, and those organizations will not be destroyed anytime soon, as long as Israel is the "opium of the people", as the article gallantly states.

The real solution is brutal and ugly, yet functional. What Israel has to do is to establish a presence of fear. When the Hamas deals with prisoner exchange, they ask for a hundred or more of theirs in exchange for one Israeli soldier. Now, Israel must follow the odds. For every Israeli death there will be a hundred Hamas deaths. This will make them think twice before launching an attack against Israel. It is sad that innocent civilians have to be killed in the process.

This is part of the reason why the Hizzbollah are sitting quietly now. They still feel the effect of the war in Lebanon. They know what the odds are, even though Israel did not establish them well enough.

Ofcourse, they are all only puppets waiting from a pull from Iran's vile hands.

I go to school here in the states, and most of my friends are rather liberal minded. They aren't bad people, but they sure are completely misguided and ignorant of anything that goes on outside of their country. I simply refuse to talk foreign politics with them anymore because they cannot possibly comprehend the situation in Israel.

But I truly agree with you, I hate society.

 

as i expect jewish israelis do the same only difference is the jews have the power to shut off water, food aid, work medical aid,freedom of movement,..............ect, news flash israel is a country like any outher, it has been fought over for a very long time, and guess what! it was given back to you by pepole that felt your loss! so i would expect that you could have some compassion for the peeps that you are doing the same thing to!!!!!!

 

Why do you keep bringing up whack-ass Biblical mythology into this?

Israel was created circa 1946. Prior to that, Jews and Palestinians actually lived in relative peace in the region.

 

There were no "Palestinians" prior to 1948, when I srael was created.

You really have no place in this discussion if you don't even know such basic dates.

 

Oh yeah! I forgot. It was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWnmCu3U09w

 

i want you all to know, i am not in any way dogmaticly(i know thats not realy a word) arguing this, but i do beleive that these tensions are, very old.
i think both jews and muslims recognise that that land is sacred!! you both share a common heritage! if somehow??? you could realize this without the political crap! you and the the peeps of palistine might be able to live together, i understand that there are grass root orgs that are trying to help this come about on both sides, i am not trying to defend or demonise iether side, i dont believe its the people! i think its the govenments, that keep the conflict going to their own ends, and it will be to their end!!!! as with outher govs, including the US.
when we as HUMANE beings decid to take control of or own destiny and rid our seves of those that would mislead us for their own gain we can begin on the path to freedom! and within that endevor hopefuly find a way to have peace in our hearts,

 

You are completely ignorant of the conflict.

There is no way it can be so oversimplified to such basic hippie crap.

 

Please explain, exactly what it's all about then.

 

Didn't I just do that like... in another thread and even in this thread?

 

Let's hear it again, and see if sounds as reasonable today? Afterall I am just a base, crap hippy.

 

Nah, I wasn't referring to you.

But no, I will not type it up again, especially not for you.

You can search through that War in Israel thread if you want to read it.

 

That figures. You love to tell people they don't understand, you ask if they understand Hebrew. Funny how Israeli apologists who wish to dismantle Hamas, never want the world reminded that when they didn't agree with their Prime Minister who was instrumental in a peace process with Palestine, they assasinated him.

 

Rabin was a hero in Israel and was assassinated by a fanatic.

I don't like you. I do not wish to discuss this further with you.

 

A Jewish/Israeli fanatic! Not an Arab, Palestinian or Islamic Terrorist.

 

Rabin was a hero, probably the last real Israeli hero I will see in my lifetime.

 

Yes, those exist too, and believe me, we hate them just as much as we hate terrorists.

Many of the settlers are like that, and some of the more fundamental Jews. Luckily, they have no power.