Why is Jesus so like Hercules, Dionysus, Mithra, & other pagan gods?

Truly "all things by Him [Christ] & for Him were made." (Col. 1:16) The whole of the Bible & His-story is the story of Jesus Christ and the Antichrist, even the parts of the Bible written hundreds of years before Jesus' virgin birth. Thus, "every Scripture is inspired of God," for all of it reveals God's foreknowledge and directing of history, as is manifest by the fact that there are so many things & people which each resemble (1) the Antichrist "Beast" (the incarnation of Satan the "Beast" of Rev. 12) who will imitate Christ in many uncommon ways, and (2) the three persons of God including Christ, in so many uncommon ways that some atheists falsely concluded that Jesus' life was a fiction based on the life of Julius Caesar, or Buddha, or some other pagan god like Dionysus, especially due to the book The DaVinci Code, so do not be deceived into thinking that these resemblances are merely coincidental.

I call these people "types of Christ" & "types of the Antichrist" ("TYPE": a thing or person that represents perfectly or in the best way a class or category; model; a genus or species that most nearly exemplifies the essential characteristics of a higher group)," and I have been researching and writing about them for months.

The Antichrist will resemble Christ in many uncommon ways: for instance, the Antichrist will be the king of all kings [except God] (Rev. 17:13) (as many of the types of the Antichrist such as Buddha, Nietzsche, & Elvis "the King" are kings over people's behavior), will appear to return from the dead (Rev. 13:3), WILL BE WORSHIPPED WORLDWIDE (Rev. 13:4), and will "minister" for 3 1/2 years (Rev. 13:5, compare Luke 4:25 where Jesus compares his ministry to Elijah's) All these types resemble the Antichrist & God in many uncommon ways. Even the meanings of their names echo Satan & Christ in uncommon ways, for God "who works ALL things according to the counsel of His will" (Eph. 1:11) secretely is responsible for apparently every name that has ever been assigned to a person, as I know from having well-considered the meanings of the names of well over a hundred people.

A. in Bible:
-types of Christ: Noah the one means of being saved, Isaac, Joseph the savior of the world, Moses, Aaron, the Passover Lamb the means of salvation, the elements of the Exodus Tabernacle, the serpent raised on a standard in Numbers 21, Joshua (has the same name in Jesus in Hebrew) who is the means by which God's people enter the Promised Land…
-types of Antichrist: Nimrod ("rebellion") the King of Babylon (his "whore [& "queen"] of Babylon": Semiramis), King Saul ("death") the 1st King of Israel, Goliath, Cain ("spear"), King Balak ("he who lays waste, destroys"), King Absalom ("Father of Peace") the son of David, King Sennacherib ["bramble of destruction"] (2 Kings 1, King Nebuchadnezzar [in the Babylonian orthography Nabu-kudur-uzur, which means "Nebo (a Babylonian god i.e. a demon), protect the crown!"; or "tears & groans of judgement"] (Daniel 1-4), Haman ["noise, tumult"] (Esther), King Anti-ochus ("Against the Strong One") Theos Epiphanes ("God Manifest") (Daniel 11:21-35) King Solomon ("peace"- as Jesus is the "Prince of Peace") the son of David who turned away from God in the end of his reign & the wisest person ever other than Jesus & who has 666 shekels of gold coming to him every year.

B. outside Bible: types of the Antichrist:
-the omniscient undying prayer-answering Santa Claus a.k.a. Satan Claws a.k.a. Kriss Kringle from "Christkindl" "the little Christ child" a.k.a. St. Nick related to "Old Nick" a name for Satan (I'm not crazy; Satan "transforms himself into an angel of light" & "deceiveth the whole world"; Santa resembles him & God in many uncommon ways, as many people have noticed on the Internet)
-the popes
-gods (ex. "virgin-born" Buddha, Crishna the chief Hindu god, Confucius, Hercules "born on Dec. 25", the paganized Virgin Mary "Queen of Heaven" who is prayed to & worshipped by many even if they don't call her a god, many SUN GODS whose birthday was celebrated on Dec. 25th such as the Greek gods Attis & Dionysus, the Persian Mithra, the Egyptian Horus, etc.)
-political leaders (ex. "virgin-born" Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan ["Lord of the Universe," "Khan" related to "Cain"], Napoleon, Adolf ("wolf") Hitler, Josef Stalin ("Man of Steel," like Superman & Shaquille O'Neal), Mao Zedong)
-and many more on http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com, which reveals the meaning behind all history


More Biblical proof that there are types of the Antichrist is given in Revelation 13 where the "first beast" is described as having "seven heads" (13:1) which represent "seven kings" (17:10), of which, at the time of the writer of Revelation, "five are fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come" (17:11). Daniel 2:31-44 about the statue with four parts which represent four kingdoms together with Daniel 7, the passage on the "four beasts" (7:1-8) teach that these fallen "kings" include Nebuchadnezzar the first beast, Cyrus the Great the second beast, Alexander the Great the third beast, and the Caesars which are partial representations of the fourth beast. The research which I have done almost daily since August shows that these and many other people in world history resemble Christ & the Antichrist/Satan in many very uncommon ways, and this is very useful information for bringing people to consider the truth of Christianity.

 

I have carefully researched & written about this subject of types of Christ & the Antichrist daily for months, so please don't be so quick to dismiss what I say. I assure you that the vast majority of what I have written is correct:

CONFUCIUS
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_earlychinrel2.htm

Herbert A. Giles, M.A., LL.D., Professor of Chinese at the University of Cambridge, says about Confucius:

Now for many centuries he has been the central figure and object of a cult as sincere as ever offered by man to any being, human or divine. Gradually, the people came to look upon Confucius as a god, and women used to pray to him for children. In 555 [made by God to echo 666], temples were placed in all prefectural cities; and later on, in all the important cities and towns of the empire. In the second and eighth months of each year, before dawn, sacrifices to Confucius are still celebrated with considerable solemnity and pomp, including music and dances by bands of either thirty-six or sixty-four performers.

HERCULES
"...temple [in Egypt] dedicated to Heracles. If a slave runs away from his master, and taking sanctuary at this shrine gives himself up to the GOD, and receives certain sacred marks upon his person, whoever his master may be, he cannot lay hand on him." (Herodotus's History 2.113) So did a Jewish person in Egypt avoid destruction by having the blood of the Passover Lamb (a type of Christ) upon his doorpost. (Exodus 12) "There is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved [other than the name of Jesus Christ.]" (Acts 4:12)

Heracles was at times considered "one of the TWELVE gods" (Herodotus's History 2.43), as Jesus was among his eleven faithful disciples (not including the twelfth named Judas) who will rule like gods. (Matthew 19)

BUDDHA
worshipped as a god, as is very clear from the fact that millions follow him as their "lord" and there are very many temples for & giant statues erected of him

JOSEPH of Genesis 37-50,a type of Christ
-he was delivered into the hands of other people in exchange for a very small amount of silver— namely, twenty pieces (Gen. 37:28): Jesus was delivered into the hands of other people in exchange for a very small amount of silver—namely, thirty pieces
-by being sold for silver, he came to bring life to people all over the world (Gen. 41:57): Jesus, by being sold for silver, came to bring life to people all over the world
-he was in captivity with two criminals, and promised pardon to only one of them (Gen. 40:13,19); on the cross, Jesus was in captivity with two criminals, and promised pardon to only one of them (Luke 23)
-“And Pharaoh said unto his servants, ‘Can we find such a one as this is, A MAN IN WHOM THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS?’ And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, ‘Forasmuch as God has showed you all this, THERE IS NONE SO discreet and WISE AS YOU ARE: YOU SHALL BE OVER MY HOUSE, AND ACCORDING UNTO YOUR WORD SHALL ALL MY PEOPLE BE RULED: ONLY IN THRONE WILL I BE GREATER THAN YOU…See, I HAVE SET YOU OVER ALL THE LAND OF EGYPT.” (Gen. 41:38-41)
“But when all things have been put into subjection to Him [Christ], then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to Him who put in subjection to Him all things, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28)
-his 11 most intimate companions (i.e. his 11 brothers) bow down to him, because he is the lord of Egypt (Gen. 42:6): Jesus’ 11 most intimate companions (i.e. 11 of his disciples, not including Judas because Judas did not worship Jesus) bow down to him, because he is the Lord of the world (Luke 24:53)
How many people do you know who have brought life to people all over the world? Surely not many, for such people would be quite famous, wouldn’t they? Of these people, how many do you know who have done this as a result of being sold for a small amount of silver?! Of these people, how many do you know who also were in captivity with two criminals, and promised pardon to only one of them?!! The moral of this story is that Jesus, by being sold for silver, really did become the means by which people all over the world could have life! Just as Joseph forgives his brothers for mistreating him, Jesus is willing to forgive you for sinning against Him and to shower you with kisses of love if you repent! (Gen. 45:15)


The Passover Lamb sacrificed by the Jews before fleeing Egypt, a type of Christ
-it is a lamb: Jesus is called “The Lamb of God” (John 1:29)
-the lamb is “without blemish” (Exodus 12:5): 1 Peter 2:22 says, "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."
-the lamb is killed on the fourteenth day of a certain month, which from then on comes to be called the Passover day (Ex. 12:6): the “Lamb of God” is killed on the Passover day
-those who have its blood on their doorposts are not destroyed by God (Ex. 12:7): Jesus “washed us [His people] from our sins by His blood” (Rev. 1:5)
-God commands that the day on which people were saved because a lamb was slaughtered be remembered “for ever” (Ex. 12:14): the day on which the “Lamb of God” was slaughtered always has to be remembered so that we can know that we are reconciled to God if we believe in Jesus (Rom. 5:10)
-those who were not destroyed by God because a lamb was slaughtered on the Passover day commemorate this day for all time by eating bread (Ex. 12:15), just as people commemorate Jesus’ death during Holy Communion
-none of the lamb’s bones are broken, as is true of Jesus when He is crucified (John 19:36)

Alexander the Great: (type of the Antichrist who "will be like the Most High")
-he, Jesus as the Lamb, and Satan have two horns (oracle of Zeus Amun...Plutarch states in his biography that the oracle hailed him as the son of the god...Alexander's supposed descent from the deity may help explain the references to the Macedonian conqueror as "The Two-Horned One"...)
-both said to be born of a virgin (according to Plutarch in his in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans)
-both called the "son of God" (according to Plutarch in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans)
-Alexander was taught by Aristotle, the third person of Socrates-Plato (said to be born of a virgin)-Aristotle whom I show to together symbolize the Holy Trinity in whom all wisdom is found: truly was Jesus taught by the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, and truly did it descend upon Him in the form of a dove when He was baptized by John the Baptist (Matt. 3:16)
-"Magi" (same word used in Gospel of Matthew) see an unusual portent (in his case, a temple suddenly being set on fire on the day Alexander was born; in Jesus's case, a strange-looking star) which signals how unusual Alexander & Jesus are
-both conquer much of the world (for Jesus rules people everywhere, and "it is necessary for him to reign until He shall have put all enemies under His feet...all things He [God the Father] put in subjection under His [Jesus'] feet." [1 Corinthians 15:25-27])
-both said to be miraculously handsome (The Messiah, at least when He comes again, is "fairer than the sons of men" [Psalms 45:2])
-both never lose a battle, as is also true of other types of Christ & Antichrist including Cyrus the Great, Scipio the Great, & King David (for God's plans always succeed)
-both said to be uncommonly virtuous men (Montaigne called Alexander one of the three greatest men who ever lived, along with Homer! And in his essay "On Cruelty," he says that the two most perfect souls are Socrates & Cato the Younger! It is most of all Montaigne along with Plutarch who prevented me for two months from seeing that Alexander & Julius Caesar are not types of Christ but rather of the Antichrist), although Alexander had many flaws such as a strong inclination to drunkenness & anger which resulted in violent murderers, even of his own father supposedly, as the Anti-Christ will appear to be a very virtuous man & will thereby seduce people to worship him after Christians vanish from the Earth during the Rapture
-Alexander the Great is often compared to Julius Caesar (for instance by Plutarch in his Parallel Lives of the Noble (!!!) Greeks & Romans), another person whom God made to be a symbol of the Anti-Christ
-as Jesus has most commonly been thought to have died at age 33 in AD 33 (although this is most likely false, as is the theory that he died on Good Friday & that he was born on December 25th, although many of the types of the Antichrist like Lincoln are associated with Good Friday, December 25th, & the number 33, probably to show that they are not the true Christ), so did Alexander die at age 33 in 323 BC. (11, 13, 33: Masonic (i.e. Satanic) Signature)

 

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see above

 

Jesus, from Esus, is a modge podge of different pagan gods from different pagan cults.

 

Erm, I think you're in the wrong forum, holyisthelord85.

 

that doesn't explain why there are pagan gods resembling Him in places like America (such as cross-bearing Quetzacoatl, the Mormon Jesus) & Tonga near Hawaii (such as Maui) which were pretty much completely isolated from contact with the rest of the world until the Middle Ages & later, and therefore cannot be said to have been copied from other pagan gods; nor why there are so many types of the Antichrist who lived after Christ's Crucifixion, such as Hitler & Mao Zedong.

The only reasonable explanation for beings like Esus are devils who impersonate Jesus as Satan says "I will be like the Most High." (Is. 14:14) "They sacrificed not to God, but to DEVILS; to GODS they knew not." (Deut. 32:17) They all know Jesus because they are fallen angels (Rev. 12), & seek to get others to share in their eternal misery by trying to make people think Jesus is a myth.

 

Maybe "he" just resembles all of them...."he" did show up after all of them...I could make up a story right now that could include all of them, but, instead, let me tell some truth.

Those cultures may not have had contact with each other in the time frame that you speak of, but all people share a common ancestry, far enough back...the Master is all mans ancestor, he who gave us language, knowing and conciousness, bestower of wisdom and craft. He is the one who made us the liminal god beast that we are. He is the one who dies when the grain is cut, and is reborn when the bread is made, he is the great sustainer of life, the true Lord.

"He", your White Christ, was based on the true Master, the light between the Dark Fathers horns...the Logos, the Word....except without his wisdom.

 

Because Christians have no imagination and must cannibalize other crack pot religions for ideas as well as holidays.

That's why the supposed Christ has so much in common with other fictional deities.

 

But notice that the other religions Christianity supposedly borrowed from are all gone--all except Judaism. And that Christianity is the world's largest religion. As memes go, that's pretty successful!

 

Zeitgeist much?

Christianity is nothing more than an astrotheological hybrid.

 

if this is true, its amazing....

http://greensboring.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=6316

 

but there are tons of types of the Antichrist who imitates Christ who became such AFTER Jesus' Crucifixion as well including religious & political leaders & movie/tv/music stars (all mentioned on http://www.primaryproofsofchristianity.com), which shows that all these types are the product of the Devil:

THE PAGANIZED VIRGIN MARY, ANOTHER TYPE OF THE ANTICHRIST (she is "worshipped" whenever she is highly praised & thanked by people because they think she answered their prayers):

"I will not give My glory to another [including Mary & other saints]." (Isaiah 48:11) "Love God with all your heart." (Matt. 22:36) The Catholic Vatican contradicts the Bible, which teaches that the Virgin Mary is not "co-redeemer," a "perpetual virgin" (she has other children by Joseph!), "immaculately conceived" without sin (Luke 1:47: she calls Jesus her "savior"), & bodily assumed into Heaven. Friend, this "Queen of Heaven" is a demonic imitation of Christ just like the other types of the Antichrist including Semiramis the ancient "Queen of Heaven" who had "savior" Tammuz as her son & was worshipped along with him. Satan "deceiveth the whole world." (Rev. 12:9)

"And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray and not lose hope...shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him [YOU CANNOT DO THIS IF YOU ARE PRAYING TO MARY OR OTHER SAINTS], though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:1,7-8)

 

Also, Virgin (as in Virgin Mary) back in those times had several meanings, one of which includes the offspring of a woman who became pregnant during her first time having intercourse.

 

Meaning, that Jesus was not actually a divine birth, thus not a Messiah but a prophet.

 

His divinity was voted on by human theologians, then all of the scriptures that disagreed were thrown out. No, I'm not quoting Dan Brown. We went over this one in my History of Christianity class for my Religious Studies minor, taught by a Chrisitian minister. I trust this info before I trust hijacked scripture.

And I say again, holyisthelord, you are in the wrong forum. This is trolling. Go away.

 

Here is what my research shows me----All religions are an evolution from the belief systems that preceeded them. Therefore there is a precedence that emerges from the earlier belief systems. Judaism, for example, was filled with symbolism from the preceeding goddess cults of it's Hebraic forefathers---the blood sacrifice, for example, goes all the way back to the paleolithic, and you could not approach Yahweh except through the blood sacrifice, which was performed upon the horns of consecration (straight out of the goddess cults).

But there is one problem with Chrisitanity. If it was to have emerged from the Middle East, why was there no precedent of a male god sacrificing himself to himself (the son, sacrificed to the father, and then is reborn)? If someone can point this out to me---a Middle Eastern precedence---then I will reassess.

In the ancient Middle East, the god, died and was reborn based on the vegetation cycle---he dies in the winter to be reborn in the spring. But he is reborn based on the good graces of the goddess---it is the goddess who is immortal. Indeed the male god had been elevated above the goddess, placing the goddess as a consort, even as Judaism emerged with its male orientation. But no where in the existing mythos did the male god achieve such power that he could kill himself and be reborn solely through his own power.

On the other hand, Indo-European belief as shown by the Rig Veda, had developed this mythos many centuries prior to the birth of Jesus. So there was certainly an Indo-European precedence that played out, particularly among their warrior and royal castes, while the peasants, tied to their land, maintained their goddess, and natuure based ways. After all, the all-powerful warrior sky-god was a great partner to have your soldiers follow.

Because of this and the evolution of the celestial axis, or world tree among these different cultures, I believe that much of the Jesus myth was embellished by the Romans and transformed into a politically powerful Indo-European story rather than a Middle Eastern story.

Here is another example---Jesus came to earth under the star of David. Jesus left earth through the cross (Biblical Greek for cross---stauros). The word for cross is related to the word for star, in Biblical Greek----the cross is the world tree, the axis mundi. But the connection between the world tree or cross, and the 'star' is significant in the more Northern lattitudes. There man was able to experience the pole star, and how the sky revolves around that point. In the Middle East, the Zenith was more important, hence such things as the moon, the sun, and Orion play a larger significance. The axis, or world tree is not connected to the pole star. or even one star as in the Star of David.

Still, it is through the axis that man, or the divine, passes from one world to the next. Therefore the horns of consecration of the Hebraic tribes was a representation of the axis---connected to the symbolism of the moon--not a star---because the crescent moon, was like the skull and horns of a bull, which was like the spread-open legs and vulva of the Goddess as earth, which in earlier times was penetrated by the hollow handle of the double headed axe (the axis) representing the phallus of the male god. (In the older blood sacrifice, the sacrifice was sliced upon the double headed axe, and the blood ran down the hollow center into the hole between the horns of consecration, fertilizing Mother Earth).

The cross itself is a very ancient form of the Axis Mundi. In Northern lattitudes it evolved from the spiral or swastika, the universe as it evolves around the center. In the Celtic lands it also represented the Phallus of god piercing Mother Earth. Among the Mayan people, it was also the Celestial Axis, but here it was a representation of the Milky Way.

I personally think that Jesus was a great holy man, but my research tells me that, there are a lot of elements to the story that do not fit the Middle East. I believe that
much of what Christianity is built upon is a Roman creation with political intentions. But Jesus also fits a recurring archetypical motif---but this does not validate the mythos surrounding him. The similarity you see between Jesus and other deities, instead validates the ancient themes that have created all these different variations, and that in fact, all spirituality shares an ancient but common origin, and we are all brothers in a way that we all don't seem to get, and instead fall prey to racial and cultural prejudices.

 

I think I'll add a couple of more comments to what I said, since Ive got nothing better to do----and you can amend your writings, and learn, Holierthanthou85, errr, I mean, Holyisthelord85.

One thing that bugs me about many christians is that they talk about the TRUTH. And then they preach based on oversimplified cultural assumptions and misconceptions.

For example, you talk about Confucius as God, the Buddha as God, and so forth---that these are antichrists because they are men who achieved a god-status. This is based on the assumption that what Westerners assume to be 'God' is the same for everyone else. But if that were true, than Christianity would be just another polytheistic belief system.

The Chinese do not consider Confucius as God in a Christian sense. Sure, they pray to him and hope for his guidance, but this is based on ancestor worshipping traditions. Confucius is not the incarnate of the Creator spirit here on earth. Nor do they consider their own ancestors who they also pray to and place offerings to as God. But they do feel that they can provide guidance in their life, and bestow gifts upon them---if they are well cared for. As a human, Confucius did not walk on water or heal people, he wrote analects.

The ancestor belief system actually makes a lot of sense if you consider that it is one's ancestors, and cultural icons (like Confucius or Lao Tsu), that shape both the culture and the collective unconscious of man. Our collective unconscious is part of what creates our psychological connection to the spiritual, and helps shape or color our individual impressions of the archetypes of our psyche.

That is why I was surprised that you talk about Confucius being a god because he is god-like, and thus an antichrist, then later quote scripture that says the 12 apostles will rule like gods. (Oh no, this must be a prophesy: 12 more antichrists will rule!!!)

Buddha is revered like a God, but he is not anymore filled with, or representative of, the Ultimate Spiritual essence of the Universe, than any other human. The teachings of buddhism are that everyone can become a buddha, and that we must in order to break the chain of karma and rebirth. In the history of Buddhism, there have been times when buddhists have needed a savior like character, and certain sects of buddhism have risen up that have met that need---such as that of Amida Buddha----and in these cases, the needs of its followers were met, and miracles happened. Where was Jesus, and God, for example in the Warring States period of feudal Japan? But that did not change the underlying message that we ourselves are Buddhas---it just allowed for soemone who was already a Buddha to help those who haven't yet achieved that.

And look at all the gods of Hinduism----they are incarnates of the ultimate god. If Hindus were not as accepting of other belief systems as Christians, they would be preaching about that polytheistic superstition known as Christianity---The Hindus have only one Atman (God)---everything else is merely an incarnation. Not like those Christians---they have many Atmans---the Holy Spirit, God, Jesus, angels, Mother Mary, the apostles. That's exactly what christians do to Hinduism with the term god---and Hindus don't really care, because, in a Hindu sense they have many gods---but when they say god, they don't mean it in the same sense as when a christian says god.

This is why theologians are arguing whether or not the Egyptian beliefs represented the first monotheism---even though they had many gods. My own explorations into indigenous beliefs, and world religions have shown me that the whole question of polytheism and monotheism is a Western philosophical concept that misunderstands anything non-Western, and tries to put it into a Western perspective.

And the whole issue of Mother Mary is an example of the political manipulation of the Romans----it provided something for the Goddess-following pagans to relate to, in order to make chrisitianity more palatable to them. The goal was to convert the whole Roman Empire and its neighbors to Christianity, instilling divine power in the Imperial leaders, making the citizens and neighbors easier to control.

But it did provide the feminine archetype which was missing in the male chauvinistic culture of the Hebraic tribes. The old testament after all is really a history of an ongoing war between followers of the Goddess (typically Asher) and God, ie the male vs the female. The man (whose home is his castle) vs the harlot. Christianity strenghtened that because the crucifiction, eliminated the blood sacrifice and proved (for Christians) that God could sacrifice himself to himself and be reborn. And he died for our sins----well coincidentally, that practice to was built into the ritual death and rebirth of the king, in early Goddess cultures to appease the sins his people had committed over the previous year. But the ritual rebirth was by the grace of the Goddess, and hailed back to an even earlier time when the Queen had her annual consort (the King), and at the end of the year he was killed, and a new consort would take his place in the queens bed.

But the result of this cleansing of the earth of the feminine element of divinity, has been a perpetual oppression of women. Thank god that christians know that god is a man. Because, after all, man was made in his image. But women---they were made with all those evil sexy parts and stuff. Nope----god has to be a man, that's got to be truth... (Surely, Jesus would have seen him in person and told us if it was different). Funny that God in all his mighty power needed the womb of a lowly consort to bring Jesus into being. (I say lowly, because she was human and female).

And I see that you are still using the number 666 for the antichrist. (I know that's not the real number because that is the birthmark I was born with). Seriously though, they found a piece of scripture in a dig in Egypt last year. The fragment was from a very early period in church history. The scripture was the same as our modern records indicate, except for one thing---the number of the antichrist was 616, not 666. That is interesting, because if you add it up, it is 13----that bad luck number that seems to always pop up in Western culture.

But if what you are saying is correct, then who was wrong? Was it all the world's people who failed to wait for the WORD to come to them? Or was it the Hebrews and early christians who screwed up by not reaching all people with their teachings.

Obviously God is not very powerful----with all the worlds peoples who needed his help, all the incredible areas of the world, where, as you have shown us, antichrists were apparently springing up left and right----god was only powerful enough to reach some small nomadic desert tribe whose domain did not even make up 1% of the earth's surface. And for this he thanks them with such gifts as, the holocaust. (But then again, I guess they weren't acting the way they should have, so he HAD to punish them). But then come the christians, and they follow his son, so that means it is ok for them to punish all the others, with things like, the inquisition, the crusades, and the same acts of war we commit today which, are not done neccessarily in the name of God, but rather in the name of a nation----that is, one nation under God.

I guess God is really not that powerful then----and it is certainly true that, I think George Carlin said, he is not very good with money either, because he always needs it.

OR... MAYBE GOD WAS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US----and instead of seeking out that one little male chauvinistic tribe of warriors, he (which I will use to mean he, she, or it) approached all people, and communicated in a form that made sense in each of their own cultures, and that he never left or ignored anyone from the very beginning. He brought rains, he provided game, he protected from enemies, he helped the depressed and the fearful. He provided eternal life. If this is the case, than all religions have TRUTH and are good.

Because where on this earth, or even in this universe, can you point to where that which we label as GOD, does not exist? Where is there no-god? (And if you can't think of a place, then perhaps you----are an animist! ----a polytheistic (with your jesus, and your god, and your holy spirit, and your angels) animist.

Well---I'm done ranting (unless I think of some more things). Holyisthelord85, if my beliefs are good, then your beliefs and everyone elses beliefs are good. If you find meaning in your path---that is great, but I don't find meaning in yours, I assume that your church is fairly fundamentalist, atleast your path is, and I could gain nothing from that. But if you find meaning for you---that is good. I find tremendous meaning in my path, and I am not evil in any way. I hope we both come to terms with God and the universe in our own ways. My only advice would be to be more accepting of other faiths, and open your eyes----the rebirth of baptism has lost its cultural context----in today's objectivistic world, you have to go through an intellectual death and rebirth---attack your beliefs and then rebuild them, to find what you truly believe----but now I am trying to push my path----if its not for you---that's cool. You've got your path, I've got mine.

(Now if you excuse me, I have to go file down my horns-----they are peaking out from my hair again ; )...)

 

wow Mountain Valley Wolf they really do have some liberal pot laws up there .. huh ??

 

LOL!

Yes they do, they... wait.. ...uhhhhhhh... what was that again?

...I ...was gonna say something...