Why there were rockets (how to explain things to totally ignorant Americans)

Coming from you, I take it as a compliment.

 

im sure you do..

 

Pavel is far from racist.

 

"just like the White South Africa did in South Africa."

"That's the other thing." (That's the whole sentence)

"swiping their vital natural resources like water."

"as an under class with less rights."

And my favorite...

"Gorilla war." :biggrin:

I have nothing to add here. I find the political discourse here banal. I do find it hilarious that this man would call anyone ignorant.

Fuck Matt, you can write better articles than this. Why don't you start posting your blog.

 

Let's put things in perspective about this latest outbreak of violence. 4 Israeli deaths vs 400 Palestinian deaths.

Where is the US's outrage that Israel's reaction is out of balance, that's what we did with the Russians with their reaction to Georgia's attack.

This amounts to Israel locking a dog in a cage so small it can't turn around, withholding food and water, then poking sticks through the bars of the cage and drawing blood. Then the Israelis complain the animal is vicious.

 

coulda fooled me. coulda hell,,,, he has...

 

Its not like that though, which is why you need to create a false analogy.

Hamas are killing as many civilians as they can, Israel responds by attacking military targets and those associated with Hamas. Hamas initiated the violence, Hamas pays the price. That is fair.

Israel forced all 9,000 of its settlers out of Gaza, and handed the territory over. This is what was supposed to happen - Israel ends the occupation, and then there is peace. Land for peace. But Gazans responded by electing Hamas, a party committed to the destruction of Israel and which publicly supports terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. Hamas allowed hundreds of rockets to be fired from Gaza at Israeli civilians, and they tunnelled into Israel to capture and kill Israeli soldiers.

Why doesn't Israel have the right to defend itself? Why does Hamas have the right to launch daily rocket attacks on Israeli civilians? Why does ending the occupation of Gaza result in the election of a party committed to the destruction of Israel?

Its the same view you had on Lebaon gardener. You were outraged that Israel retaliated when it was attacked by Hizbollah. Again, Israel ends the occupation of Lebanon and in return Hizbollah starts attacking Israel istelf. What is it gardener, you think Hizbollah and Hamas have a right to attack Israel, and the only crime is when Israel responds? Israeli civilians are valid targets but palestinian terrorists are not?

Hamas is solely to blame. They brought this on their own people.

 

And Israeli's are making it worse. Definitely an overreaction.

All I see in the end is 400 deaths in exchange for four. Who cares if it's the majority vote. There are innocent people dying.

 

Guess you forgot gardeners infamous quote "Hamas is there to pick people up" he's defended them from the get go, they can do NO wrong in his eyes,ever.

 

May I remind you of how close this is to what the English thought of those rebel upstarts in the American colonies?

They tried and failed too. Israel will fail someday, in a shot heard around the world.




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Of course they can do wrong, they often do, but to think that Israeli's are somehow above committing wrongs is a bit naive and intellectually dishonest.

 

How many Palestinian deaths? How many Israeli deaths? Was the de-occupation total? Have Israelis never crossed over and killed during raids?

Yes what Israel did to Lebanon was not jusitified. What government would you like the Palestinians to elect? Lebanon is democratic nation, and was at the time of the Israeli bombings that killed civilians. Israel is interested in removing governments they deem unacceptable. But what they want to provide is only confinement and control.

Israel commits a crime when it kills innocent citizens to further it's political and economic agendas. How has Israel tried or contributed to rebuilding the lives of those they have destroyed with American arms?

You object to my analogy because it's too accurate. It's exactly what Israel is doing.

What we all forget is that Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac. Is this war for who inherits from the father. Brother killing brother?

 

Has Israel ever provided aid to the people they have devastated with their American arms? That would be a grand political move but I don't see them resorting to it anytime soon.

They can do wrong, much as Israel can, but they don't have the American muscle behind them to claim as many innocent lives as the Israelis do. The difference is Hezbollah and Hamas have rebuilt homes and hospitals. Who would you vote for?

 

What about ramming boats trying to provide humanitarian aid while in international waters. Is there an explanation for that?

Is that a reason for Gaza residents to vote for a government sympathic to Israeli motives?

 

This whole thing is like Bush selling us on the war with Iraq because they bombed the twin towers or had weapons of mass destruction. Are we that stupid? Probably. If that doesn't work we are perhaps spreading democracy.

Thing is...Hamas was elected in a democratic election. So sorry if the Israelis didn't approve of the choice. They should have campaigned harder.

 

Perhaps they can ask McCain, Graham and Lieberman to lobby for them.

I am sure all this unrest will raise the price of oil. And the price at the pump.

Or perhaps Tony Blair is going to solve the problems. Isn't he our new peace envoy?

Funny his sister in law doesn't share his views: http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3595097,00.html

 

I ask how much are US citizens paying him/Blair for his role in this mess? It's time to ask for accountability not pay off Bush friends.

 

Impressive. Six posts in a row. Is that a record? Yet you still couldn't answer my questions.

We've been over this before. If Hamas doesn't like the ratio, they should stop shooting rockets at Israeli civilians. And the citizens of Gaza should stop electing political parties committed to the destruction of Israel.

Yes. Funny you don't know that.

Of course they have. Why shouldn't they? If Hamas is going to attack Israeli civilians, Israel is going to respond.

Of course, you think Hizbollah has the right to attack Israel without any fear of response.

I already answered this, why do you need to ask it again? They can elect who they want. But if they vote for a party committed to the destruction of Israel, and proceed to launch hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians, what do you think is going to happen? They voted for war and they got it.

You seem to believe that "oh, well, Hamas is democratically elected, so that gives them the right to kill Israeli civilians without fear of any response". I don't think that's the meaning of democracy. And of course you'd never look at the opposite and say "Well since Hamas keeps attacking Israel, they are only going to get right wing governments elected in Tel Aviv, so they can't complain". Oh no. THat logic would never work for you would it?

Lebanon is a democratic nation with a private army, Hizbollah, that does not answer to the Lebanese government. Hizbollah attacked Israel and then Israel attacked Hizbollah targets and the Lebanese government and army stood by.

But they don't want to remove the Lebanese government. You really don't understand the region very well.

Also, you seem to think its perfectly normal and acceptable for a government committed to the destruction of Israel to be in power, and it would be terribly unfair for Israel to object. How does that work gardener? Israel isn't even allowed to oppose its own destruction?

How is retaliating for rocket attacks on Israeli civilians "futhering their economic agenda"? You really are very good at deleting any awareness of the rocket attacks from your consciousness. They are inconvenient so you just ignore them.

I don't know gardener, does medical treatement for Palestinian children in Israeli hospitals count as helping Palestinians? Ironic isn't it, Israeli hospitals treating Gazans even as Gazans fire rockets at the same hospital. Suicide bombers have also tried to attack Israeli hospitals by posing as patients. Oh well not the sort of thing you'd be interested in.

Again with this crap. What do you think these are, democratic rocket attacks. "Oh well, we can't really complain, the voted for rocket attacks". Maybe if you really cared about Gaza you'd be condemning Hamas which has brought nothing but war on their own people. But no, you're more worried about gas prices rising that you are about rocket attacks on civilians.

 

One would hope!