Whats all this jazz about ego loss really about...

Ok. So I have a question for all of you who have bneen lucky enough to have a steady flow of lucy to get to these bigger ideas..... Would you consider ego loss a physical sensation or a psychological one, or neither.... I mean last time I dropped, I felt like I was dying literally, the room around me would black out and I couldnt hear anyone and my heart would beat slower and all kinds of crazy shit, I didnt feel attached from myself, I still remember who I was but I became unsure..... I kept having visions of me bieng connected to some Meth junkie oding on the side of the road with several police and ambulances........ IT definatly changed my life.... lol really put me off drugs for a while..... Ill probably hit a joint every now and then nowadays and would definatly go for some tabs if i ever find them again..... but you know... I dont think it was the real deal..... Maybe it wasnt.... it was kind of bitter after all.... who knows these days, It was completly mindblowing, but maybe it wasnt lsd.... Ill never be able to tell

 

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My ego death was like I invisioned my whole life,memories,personality all on a large swirling mass.I was extreamly terified and was praying to god to please let me find myself again.I felt as I had ruined my whole life and was dying or goin to be fucked for life..LoL I was 18 at the time and it was my third trip.I also new nothing about physcedelics.Now I alwas remember I am on a drug and it will go away if I let it run its course.

 

Sounds like you had a bad trip, not sure about ego loss there . . . it sometimes is difficult to realize you are experiencing, because it's so strange you don't know what it is.

Also I used to think like you, that there are essentially 2 sides to a person; physical, and psychological. Ego loss showed me a third side. The Self, soul, atman, whatever. The way i experienced the loss was my Self was all that remained, my psychology had been torn to shreds by a chemical hurricane, and with that the illusion of the integration of my physical aspect to my Self. I realized that not only am I not my body (I knew that), I am not my mind either (I didn't know that). There is a third presence.

 

Ego loss was pretty fucked up. I was with my friend and he was just like, make your bed your safe zone sean this shits about to get crazy. I didn't know who I was or what I was on. All's I knew was that in my room the artwork on the walls was vaguely related to me. It was the most awesome experience of my life.

 

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What is ego loss?

I've tripped 1000 times, but not sure I ever experienced it.

 

yes ego loss is actually more like 'SuperEgo' loss in freuds terms.

however, those terms need to be updated, because more and more of the 'ego' seems to be just a 'found balance' between one's ID and one's Superego. 'Ego' in freudian terms seems to end up being simply 'tha path we take' between our Id and Superego

and the Superego is sort of like.. society's ID. it is a pressure that society feels from itself.. society always urges towards what is 'right'.. like a food. however, essentially, like food, what is 'right' is actually 'that which keeps you alive'.. and at a certain point society stats endulging in 'foods' to feed its 'ID' without feeding its stomach.
similarly, society starts endulging in all sorts of 'rights' and 'wrongs' which have little to do with how they actually help keep a society alive, and all the more to do with the 'flavour'... some sort of manipulation of an internal system (eg flavour) which was meant for a purpose (eg to find the right foods) and is abused for merely the sensory effect. (eg. the feeling like one has purpose in their life and is progressing toward the correct goal.. when they are actually just wanking around with notions that have moral or ethical weight).

 

nope, yea, wait..... yeaaa!! wait... huh?????

i was really tryin to understand all that, but it can get confusing lol i have taken psychology before, and you deff sound like ur on to somethin, i woud like to understand it lol if ur willing to simplify it a bit.

 

I cant explain too much more atm.. It is something that I am working on

Look into Freudian ID/Ego/Superego and it might make some more sense?

Almost as if both ID and Superego are both 'sub-Ego' however, the ID concerns the needs of the individual but the Superego concerns the needs of the group

 

Fuck Freud!

That dude was a total quack, his psychology is whack!

 

nar bro he is heaps misunderstood

he tried being a scientist.. he actually did a lot of brain-studies.

but no one cared back then..

 

I like some of your ideas, Stoner Bill. They jive with my experience, although I wouldn't have described it in exactly the same way (obviously... heh).

I am not the most experienced person here, but I have tripped over a dozen times on high quality stuff and I feel like I've been pretty far out there even though I've never taken a heroic dose or anything. In my experience, it's hard to say whether ego loss is physical or psychological or both because really they are the same thing. How we experience the physical world is through our minds and the way we think is intimately tied with our experiences with the so-called physical world. It's definitely something that you can feel physically in that you feel different in a tangible way, but on the other hand it is centered in the mind and it certainly could be described as a "mindfuck" so in that sense it is psychological. This is of course assuming that I have experienced what most people mean when they refer to "egodeath," which I think I have but can't be sure of. The most I've eaten at once is three hits or less, and the most I've ever eaten in a tripping session is at most four hits, not eaten all at once. However, this was very potent stuff and I'm sure the top sessions were at least with 300 mikes, maybe way more, so ego death seems quite possible in that range.

For me, it is mostly about being so involved with the present moment that everything else vanishes. Everything is just seen as it actually is, and while all of the things that you think of that define "you" (your body, your past, your present, potential future, thoughts, ideas, feelings) are right there, your consciousness is not attached to them in the same rigorous way that it is in typical experience. I become "the viewer" watching my life unfold, in a way. I think that some type of ego death is quite accessible without the aid of drugs. Some people experience it all the time, and some more rarely... for example, when one gets really into a work of art like music or literature or when someone is completely absorbed in work or in making love and for that period of time there is no "me" and "all of that," there is no striving or analysis, everything is simply happening just as it should in perfect harmony, like a great big beautiful machine that is conscious of itself.

Just my two cents I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure what it is or if it really even exists... it's just a label for a subjective experience, and it's a label that seems to resonate with many users of psychedelics because psychedelics greatly increase the odds that one will "lose his/herself" for a while and when we lose ourselves, we experience something that feels quite different from the way we tend to operate.

 

it is simple really. you lose the part of your thinking which is considered the ego. the self centered voice in your head that hides you from the truth that your nothing more then a little spec of dust in the vast of things, but yet it tells your a big important person with your money and your haircut and makes you feel comfortable and cool. when you trip your ego dissolves, you see the true nature of self, you are not you anymore, you are it, you are all, you realize you are a tiny piece of dust, but you except that you are a tiny piece of dust, and realize that you are a tiny piece of dust for a reason, and you want to be the best tiny piece of dust you can be.

 

sorta kinda but that type of ego like "dude that guy has a big ego!" is different than " wow that acid made my ego fall apart..." Two different ego's.

One is related to pride and one is related to self identity. There is a gray line between the two though.

 

well people with big egos are people with too much self identity, they are so worried about them selves its like nothing else exist. so its derives from the same thing basically. but i get what you mean.

 

with ego- you want to better yourself to better yourself.

without ego- you want to better yourself to better the whole.

 

i think i had ego loss but im not sure it was ego loss... it changed my life after the trip and depressed me so bad for a while because i got this realization i was fucking up in life and was turning into a screwup