andrew jackson- americas hitler

Andrew Jackson was probably one of the best presidents ever.. maybe not the best, but the most loyal to the people..

for his entire political career was based on the the removal of the federal reserve monetary systems..

do some study once in a while, notice the monetary system in usa doesnt work to well.. there wasnt that problem until the federal reserve came in, around 1913 i think, the fact is that the US fractional reserve system is why USA is going bankrupt.

since the federal reserve, the national debt has gone up with the national money supply in exact numbers. The Rockefellers, JP Morgan, are the ones who started the federal reserve, and the earlier depressions.

the fractional reserve system is fucked, money = debt, the more debt there is, the more money there is, the more money there is, the more debt there is.
for the fractional reserve system allows USA to create money out of thin air, or nothing. and that is why there will never be a stop to Inflation, and thats why there will be worse depressions, and so on..

"The bold efforts of the present bank system has made to control the Government, are but premonitions of the fate that awaits the American people, should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution, or the establishment of another like it."

-President Andrew Jackson

do some study on the Fractional banking Reserve system, a book called Modern money mechanics, and how money can be created out of nothing..

 

There is a lot more to being a good president than economics.

 

Woodstock trashed quite a few farmers fields, and left one hell of a mess. The urban folk heard some great music (I've seen the Woodstock video a few times), got laid a lot, got stoned, then went back to their cities (mostly). Quite a few of them didn't pay for the performance, since the festival management (Wavy Gravy, etc) felt the potential violence from trying to force gate crashers to pay was more serious than the lost revenue.

Were the farmers ever compensated properly?

 

I don't plan on going off topic.

It just leads to problems and ends up polluting the thread with irrelevant posts.

If you want to talk about siggys, we can do that in the myriad of siggy threads over in the random thoughts forum.

Otherwise, I'd be happy to respond to any thoughts you would like to share about President Jackson.

 

I think that comparing Andrew Jackson to Hitler is a pretty bad analogy.

 

It depends on how you look at it I guess. Jackson definitely had some Hitleresque qualities, on the other hand he wasn't hell bent on world domination the way Hitler was. So I suppose its a matter of perspective.

 

We both agree. Your signature quote is irrelevant. So, if you're worried about getting off topic (a rare occurrence around here), why include it at all?

 

"Let's not forget Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, both of whom authorized genocide (conventional and nuclear firebombs) against Japanese civilians. But maybe that should be put on the 'worst President' thread."

Dirtydog are you an idiot? Genocide?? its called war buddy... Remember when they bombed Pearl Harbor?? what was that exactly to you? We did what we had to do to win the war and save AMERICAN lives. get a clue old timer

 

The Japanese killed about 3,000 Americans, the vast majority of them military, at Pearl Harbor. They did not firebomb Honolulu and attempt to kill all the civilians there. Of course, they did kill vast numbers of civilians elsewhere in 1937-1945, and I'm not apologizing for them.
When you firebomb cities like Dresden and Tokyo and Hamburg, intentionally killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, you commit genocide. You can't distinguish between a woman minding her own business at home and an armed combatant? Neither could William Calley. By the way, the U.S. military charged Calley for his crimes, even though he got no more than a house arrest sentence.

Oh by the way. I understand you weren't around yet during the Vietnam war, so look up Calley on Wikipedia or elsewhere on the Internet the next time you're taking a break from skateboarding.

I stand by everything I said. Maybe that makes me an idiot in your opinion.

 

Andrew jackson didn't kill innocent people like George Bush we attacked and killed iraqis who had no REASON to die.

 

Jackson was one of our better presidents IMHO.

I really love it when people apply their modern social biases to a historical figure.

Andy Jackson was a product of his time, most white males were at least a bit racist back then. Even then, for most of history people tended to be very tribal or ethnocentric in their views. Today we have the technology and education to understand world cultures in a far more objective manner than in the past.

 

Don't all politicians?

 

First of all this is a theory.

Second, if we did migrate here it was to an un inhabited land.

Do ya see the difference between us and the current immigration from the 1700's. I think its pretty fuckin simple.

-Native Pride-

 

i dont' know if any of you know about this man, but he got things done that were gettin put off for years.. congress voted him down so he marched soldiers into congress and had them revote hahaha... i swear if he didn't get the flu and die (or poisoned).. he would have took over this country become life long presdent... A truely great great president..

 

your obviously not Cherokee.

 

The five civilized tribes took their case to the supreme court and WON. The supreme court ruled in their favor. Jackson was quoted as saying of the chief justice of the supreme court "He has his ruling now let him enforce it." Then Jackson authorized the U.S. Army to round up the indians and move them anyway. They were forced form their homes into stockades and then moved as much as 1300 miles on foot partially through winter. One forth to one third of them died on the "trail of tears." Is Jackson a Hero? No! Is he just a product of his times? No! Did he violate the constitution of the United States AND commit genocide...YES! Does that compare with Hitler...YES! Is this how it is taught in the history books in our pathetic public schools...hell no but it is the truth and just an afternoon spent in a good public library will show that I am right.
A little bit of "white racism" is not what i would call reducing the numbers of all native americans from around 30+ million in 1492 to around 500,000 in 1900 in all of north america...that was genocide; often times organized and government sanctioned genocide on a scale that you cannot imagine.
If you believe we understand and tolerate cultures so much better in our modern and enlightened age you need to turn on the evening news and see what is going on in Iraq, Darfur, Georgia, Tibet, the sioux reservation in North and South Dakota and many, many other places in the world.

 

If it wasn't Jackson it would have been another guy who did the same thing.

 

Yes Jackson's men did kill women and children during raids.
I'm a Tennessean with Cherokee lineage. I'm proud of my fellow Tennessean. He was a great leader. Old Hickory is one of the greatest Americans ever. The only reason the eurotrash brits dislike Andrew Jackson is because he kicked their pansie ass into the Gulf of Mexico when they tried to take the city of New Orleans. As far as the Native American population goes, they need to get over themselves. The trail of tears was a tragedy, but the time for letting go of the hate so the healing can begin is long overdue. America has made a lot of bad decisions. To many to count. But we still have the best game in town.

You kids and hippie want-a-be's need to grow up. It's easy to set around and be a Monday morning quarterback while your getting baked. To obtain world peace and love is tantamount to making a a silk purse from a sow's ear. True world peace can only be achieved with one centralized Government a.k.a. N.W.O. And considering that "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" I don't think America should be so eager to surrender it's Sovereignty.

You people make me sick when you start crying about fire bombing cities. During WWII the Japanese and Germans would have had no qualms killing civilians. The brits tried to negotiate with Hitler, you see where that got them. War is hell. And the fastest way to make your enemy capitulate, is to make terror your friend. Your peace signs wont stop a tank.

America is a peaceful nation. We have a two prong strategy to insure peace. This strategy is depicted on the back of the dollar bill. With the right talon we offer the olive branch to the nations of the world. If they don't want it, fine. But they would be well advised to consider the purifying power of the left talon. We might not win WWIII but we have the power to ensure WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. Yes I borrowed that from Einstein, and no it's not a direct quote.

I'll get off my soap box now

 

I'm also not Jewish.

 

Andrew Jackson was a product of his time. To condemn him is to condemn his entire cohort.

He was a great leader and President.

Yes, he had faults, but those were no greater than any of his peers or predecessors.