Becoming vegetarian

You lost my respect when you opened up with a two-cent insult, and I have no idea why you think that I own a slaughterhouse. We’re discussing vegetables and cows - Not World War II. There’s no need to become uncivil.

I must say, though, that I actually do feel kind of bad for plants. To act like the life of an animal is any more important than that of a plant is rather hypocritical coming from a person with an "Animals are people, too" ideology. Just because plants don't make noises and expressions, doesn't mean that they don't have a reason to live. One can waste all of the time in the world feeling sorry for something, but that doesn't change the fact that, whether they eat animals or plants, they're still killing a living creature. It’s just easier for a vegetarian to eat plants, because plants can’t protest.

 

They eat plants because plants do not feel emotions or sensations, animals do. There are a lot of better arguments than the one you used. Honestly, trying to compare a cow to a celery stalk is ridiculous.

 

First of all, when did I ever proclaim that you owned a slaughterhouse- that is absrubd and has absolutely no context given what I wrote. Secondly, how is stating that you are ignorant to a certain truth an insult, it's not as if I'm questioning your morality or intellect, rather- your awareness. I was not stating that you are an inherently ignorant person, simply that you are ignorant to the fact that: (a) plants are not sentient beings and (b) 10-15x the plants are killed to contribute to an omnivores meal than to contribute to a vegetarian's. Sorry if this was offensive



Surely you must see the idocy within your own arguement? "all is killing so do so on all levels?"
if that is hypocritical for veggies, is it not MORESO for omnis?
Thus the "hey, you kill too" tack is a red herring, and old and worn out ground, as is the combines kill argument (as those same creatures would be killed if the land was under cultivation for corn for humans of for livestock feed).
---> What an excellent point!

 

You people cannot imagine how hungry reading this thread made me.

I think I'll cook a nice rare steak today... (and ofcourse eat it with a whole lot of salad).

 

ahh, rubin it is...good to see you here.

 

I think that this thread has lost any sense of rationality that it once had. All I meant to say is that I find the vegetarians that eat plants for political reasons to be hypocritical, for the sense that, no matter how you look at it, you're still killing something. I'm not a moral person. I don't believe in a god. I have no idea why you all have taken my opinions so personally, and the only intentions that I ever had were to state my own individual outlook. Really, I've been writing here more as a way to improve my grammar and sentence structure than anything else, and I am not replying to this thread in an attempt to “covert” anyone into eating meat.

Besides, the topic creator asked at the end of his post “ Is there anything else that I should know about becoming a vegetarian?” Because of this question, I felt that I was being on topic by speaking about the nutritional downfalls of being a vegetarian. He also mentioned that his mother had tried to discourage him from being a vegetarian for the fact that he was still growing, so it seemed to me that perhaps he was confused as to why she might have been discouraging him.

If you had paid better attention to my posts, you would have seen that I actually do point out some of the benefits of being a vegetarian, such as a lower risk for certain cancers. There are up's to being a vegetarian, but there are also down's, and the same is true for if someone were to eat only meat.

As for whether or not that plants are sentient beings, we will have to agree to disagree here. I just simply have different beliefs than you do. No need to be hostile. I believe that all matters of life are equal, and that no one being is any more important than the other.

 

Well...I recently became a vegetarian, about a couple of months ago. It's kind of hard but it's getting easier. But I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian. SO I do eat or drink dairy.

I LOVE VEGETARIANISM!

 

itt gets easier to resist temptations the longer you go with out meat i have been veg for almost two years and the thought of eating meat sickens me now but it is healthy for you if u can monitor ur diet a bit to make sure you get all ur vitimens and protien is not a problem because you regularly get too much anyway but make sure ur b12 is okay take a supplement and you should be good and dont let anyone discourage you form doing what you want to do

 

I decided to go lacto-ovo for health reasons. My husband and I opted to cut red meat for a while, during which time I would avoid meat for as long as possible in a stretch. After then, I would go to vegetarianism and he would continue with lighter meats. Well, I went two weeks, then got that rare side effect: I can't digest meat anymore. I throw it up. So I'm veg for good, now, but my lactose-intolerance seems to have ended. I guess that I was just not designed for meat.

B12 is no problem if you're eating dairy and eggs. We actually get MUCH more than we need. It's veganism, last I heard, that needed supplements. As for your parents, Andy, mine wouldn't let me try vegetarianism when I was young either. My mother thought it was animal worship, a sin (She's nuts.), and my father didn't want Mom to have to cook two meals. My husband and I have worked it out: we look for vegetarian dishes that we both like, and every now and then he eats of the meat while I make something that I love and he hates.

I didn't do it for political reasons, though ethics did come into the play, but I feel much healthier since the switch. I can't imagine eating meat now without nausea. I did have to watch my iron and protein intake at first, but a spinach omelet solves both problems quickly. Just let the body adjust, and go from there.

 

Vegans dont need supplements. If you balance your diet well enough you can get everything you need, including B12 from fortified soya products. Ive been vegan years, never taken supplements and healthier than ive ever been.

I did it for two reasons.. animal rights and environmental. I dont think we should control the lives of animals.. i dont think we have the right to keep them in cages and end their life when we want to. We wouldnt do that to humans so why animals? yes plants are also living.. but if you trace back our ancestry mammals like cows are practically broters and sisters compared to plants which have been seperate from us for a very very long time..

As for environmental reasons.. A vegan in a hummer is more environmentally friendly than a meat eating on a bicycle. so im a vegan on a bicycle.