lets be honest with ourselves

people who abuse relationships, drugs, self harm, eating disorders etc.. those all have direct effects on the brain

play doh... not so much

 

you're really bad at recieving a point.
nowhere did i say that play doh was as addictive as drugs. in fact, i went out of my way to say that they aren't.

point being, people can feel they are free under the influence of anything (even if they are addicted). Anything has the ability to alter your mindset, be it chemically or not. You make the initial decision and you feed your addiction. I'm not saying addiction is good or bad, I'm saying it's not the fault of the substance, it's the fault of the user.

 

what I don't get is how is the user at fault when it's the chemical that is itself addictive

I really don't see how either one can be "at fault"

 

because, most chemicals aren't THAT addictive and it's more of a mental addiction. And the chemical didn't force itself upon the user.

and if there is an effect, there is a cause, thus fault exists.

 

hippies and play doh aside, lets address the original post. The reason that people who use drugs- in real life and possibly on this forum- are critical of those who abstain, is hard to explain. In my experience, those who not only use drugs, but actually make it a lifestyle, a culture, are just as often as close-minded and judgmental as any one else. Yet theyre proud, (maybe not the right word, bear with me) proud of their accomplishments, and proud of their knowledege. They feel that they have experienced things that most of society is too terrified to understand. Its like knowing a secret, one you can share with others, but is uniquely your own. And to me thats the greatest part about the drug culture, everyone involved is experiencing something simultaneously personal, yet universal. Its a good feeling. And so they look at mainstream society with a combination of pity, anger and frustration that they will always be marginalized for their choices. And when youve become marginalized, its hard not to turn inward, seek those likeminded, and cast out everyone else.

So, when people present themselves as "free spirits", "hippies" or "cool" you expect them to have cast off the lines drawn by society as forbidden. You expect that they have taken their lives into their own hands, and chosen experience above all else. The most immediate of those lines is more often than not, "drugs." Not psychoactive chemicals, but illicit chemicals/ substances/ plants, things which society has actually gone so far in its disapproval as to make illegal. To be able to say, "Ive been told my whole life by those I trust that this is wrong and bad, but Im going to try something new, and like it or not embrace the experience," is an important step into understanding your and your species' true nature. If some one cant do that, then maybe they really arent "cool" or free at all, maybe they just like the attention they get by presenting themselves as different. Maybe theyre really just a coward. Or maybe not, maybe theyre a truly independent person who just doesnt believe in polluting their body. But, like I said, drug users can be just as close minded as anyone else, and their going to judge you with the little amount of information they recieve from you. Its the same principle as racism, or music efficianado-ism, people are really just assholes.

 

in my experience I'm more of an outcast for not doing drugs and there are more people who do drugs then don't and doing drugs is more mainstream

 

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lol... yea I literally loled

 

You're in with the wrong crowd, then. I've spent so much time back stage at raves and in VIP rooms at shows and I think that the creative types of folks, people who are making art and music, tend to have an equally open mind to sobriety, even if they're sniffing lots of drugs. They simply don't give a fuck if you want to hit the joint or not.

After all, somebody has to drive home, right? It sucks standing around a car at 8 am and wanting to get home and realizing that everyone in your crew is too fucked up to drive. Luckily, someone is usually sober and nobody is going to be giving them a hard time about that, trust me.

Now if you're uncomfortable with this drug use, and lecture them, well then, sure, you'll be pushed away, but on the rare occasions where I've seen people trying to force drugs on other people in a loving environment, the pushers are quickly shouted down.

Same goes for sex, if you don't feel like doing it, you aint got to. Eventually, people will respect your assertiveness.
There are only two things you can't say no to:

1) someone offers you a birthday shot of tequila and you're not driving
2) play-doh is involved

 

Well if you go to a party where everyone is drinking... it's just gonna sort of happen that your not gonna be on the same wavelength as them. I don't think anyone wants to keep someone out because of what they consume. But if a group of people want to do drunk things, and your not rolling with the drunk vibe, your not gonna be up there with them.

 

Heroin on the table, it kills no one....

If you don't drugs, you may be a square.

 

I don't preach about not doing drugs... if people do them I don't stop them unless they're harming themselves... I never go to parties or anything like that... it's just people say they don't understand why I choose not to do them and I find it offensive that it's so unbelievable that there are people who don't do drugs

alcoholism is all over my family and someone who did drugs threatened to kill me a couple of times while they were using so I choose to abstain but it ticks me off when people find it so weird

I also don't use drugs b/c I've been to rehab for anorexia and bulimia and almost died from it so I know I'd abuse drugs for weight loss

 

you couldn't abuse marijuana for weight loss
You gotta put a little weight on yourself so you know that your boyfriend doesn't like you just cause your skinny.

 

lol I went to the docs like 3 days ago and I literally gained the freshman 15 so he has passed the test lol... it's weird though it all went to my hips... my clothes grew out of me but it's not tight on my stomach it's tight on my hips lol

 

Glad to hear it ladybrunette. I'm sure you look great, don't doubt it for a second.

And LMAO @ rygoody

 

i agree with you, drink some alcohol, smoke some weed but stop there, dont be a fucking retard.