Mushroom Speaking

Do you think Magic Mushrooms leave open chance and we have defiled the intentions of ancient spirits by eating them outside of traditional ritual?
Or do you think our introduction in the 1950's was intentional, and the opinions of shamans who were crushed as well as the expected result (thrill seekers and drug abusers) are necessary (however unfortunate) stepping stones on a path which has yet to reveal itself?
I wonder because half of this shared journey seems detestable, while the other half seems to be forced.
What language do the mushrooms speak now? Or are all languages extensions of the one mushrooms speak?

 

What the hell is this... please tell me this is a joke.

 

Unfortunatley the world doesnt always conform to your naive expectations.
But, you may treat it as a joke if youd like, of course. That's a portion of my point to begin with.
God bless

 

Seriously guys I understand seeking spiritual journeys or enlightenment through Mushrooms. It makes sense that some other higher being(s) created mushrooms to achieve a higher or different plane of thought but it in itself is just a chemical. There is no certain pattern in what the chemical does or "speak" it is always creating the same reaction and creating the same effect that is just interpreted differently by different people. If anything the chemical in the mushrooms were created to help people think for themselves as they interprete the effect the chemical has on there minds not a tool fr teaching the same message to everyone. Of course I might just be misunderstanding what you meant or my own rambling might not make any sense... if so please tell me.

 

Im not talking about the mushrooms being directly created by a divine presence, Im
talking about the spirits which shamans claim to receive guidance from, and how so
many people in our culture dont have that connection.
Is this a result of the spirits leaving? Or is this because, as you say, these drugs
effect every culture differently, and maybe what the shamans call spirits, we call
the soul? Or enhanced internal dialogue?
And beyond that, no matter how variable the effects of mushrooms are, one thing that
is nearly universal in almost every research experiment, is that volunteers report
being in contact with a 'presence' or a 'force', and that they hear a new yet
somehow familir language, one which makes no sense to us when sober.
Is this language the speech of the spirits? And if so, do they still speak to us in
our different culture, during recreational use? Or have they abandoned this method
of communication?
Basically if you dont believe the shamans, this thread will not be worth your time
to contribute to. Enlightenment and God are irrelevant to my points, at least at
face value.

 

its not just the chemical, the brain itself plays a big role too. it's the neurotransmitters and the complex nervous system applying them to cognitive and synaptic functions. its like a new piece of software for your brains computer. it is very alien in its interface and its application; the mushrooms give us a perspective that is beyond the normal everyday survival based one. there is information in there, stuff not normally accessible, and it is communicated in a completely different language. a language of symbols and inner visual phenomena. it is a mushroom that speaks, but in a completely other language that is universal. anyone can understand it, but few are prepared to digest and integrate this information into everyday life.

 

Yes this is true.
I guess I was just expecting to skip this explanation and approach it from the angle of the spirits guidance, from people who already knew what you just explained.
Of course we are still spoken to, I just wonder where this speaking is coming from, in our case.
Forgive my assumption lol

 

all languages are extensions of mushroom speak, ya dig?

 

We have not defiled the acinent spirits by eating shrooms. And what if we had?

I bet the introduction in the 50's was intentional, who's intent?
The shaman's hopes were crushed, the "magic" of the shrooms is just another chemical like MDMA or LSD, pscilocybin interacting with your brain, its the damn truth and you know it, there's no scarid journey; why is everyone so nieive? CHEMICALS ARE NOT GOD YOU FUCKING MONKEYS IT"S NOT SPIRTUAL, IT'S NON-EXISTANT,

Stop making up lies based on STUPID specualtion > RELIGON < IS ALL LIES, Spirituality IS ALL FAKE.

Humanity needs to accept this as truth because it is, stop holding onto old pagan religions and start working to uncover the logical truths of our existance.

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Might start a thread to discuss this.... ahh im lazy.

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This is why no sober people respect trippers, they ACT trippy, and stupid sober people take them seriously and don't know what to think, the unkown = fear. STOP FUCKING WITH PEOPLE and shit like mushrooms might get some positive attention (not really becasue we all know why drugs are illegal, special interests and a FUCKED UP legislative system in OUR RETARDED ASS COUNTRY

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I'm having a hard time making sense today I think... Or am I, do you get what I'm saying?

 

Did your mommy forget to give you your medication this morning Severely? lol
Perhaps if you gave your opinion without rudley trampling all over mine, Id consider responding to that pile of trash you deem worthy as a post.

 

See now you're just being childish, I think you should read it just for fun, try to take me seriously and ignore the overtone of me being a dick.

 

Lol..

if only you understood yourself.

 

I see your point. But I didnt start this thread to defend my belief, I started it to ask a question.
If you cant answer the question, then please post without the insulting tone man. No reason to get up in my grill and derail a thread just beceause you dont like it.

 

So, is this you believing in free will again?

 

Nah, just asking what you all think. Im not exactly sure what to make of it all, it's very confusing.

 

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I answered your question in my post....

 

Ok now everybody breathe lol, see it's all better now

 

Well, I'm beginning to think this universe is perfectly planned, down the the most seemingly insignificant detail, and I don't think the capacity is within us to TRULY defile that plan. I think we influence and affect certain situations, but if you always end up in the same place no matter what you do, do you truly have free will?

Even if drugs are consumed outside of the traditional ritual, (like marijuana is so commonly used today, to get stoned, giggle like a moronic idiot, and eat a lot of food to pass out) they can still be used, even if unintentionally for their original purpose. I know you are introspective John, and I know that you were probably aware of the popular subculture surrounding marijuana before you tried it. So, when you first smoked, did it affect you like it does everyone else?

The opinions of shamans will always be crushed under the gross view of the general population, but that is just the nature of humans. We are an arrogant species, 99% of which are completely bound by their ego and don't even realize it (this of course, all too often includes those certain "special" psychedelic trippers who have found the "light") As stalk said very truthfully once, "This world is an asylum."

I guess magic mushrooms offer a chance to break out of that mold, legitimately or not, intentionally or not, or even just for a while. But I have come to the realization and acceptance, that a search for higher truth and a spiritual lifestyle simply isn't for the majority of people, even most spiritually inclined people.

 

I really do feel bad for you.

 

Why?