Shrooms and Pot instead of Alcohol and Tobacco?

Besides caffeine, which is used in almost any circumstance and by almost any age group, alcohol and tobacco are the most popular drugs. They are popular for a few reasons of course.....alcohol is so easy to make from anything fermented. Tobacco is so addicting and once the elite class of the colonial peoples of the west tried it they got hooked and used it as a cash crop. Both alcohol and tobacco are very destructive drugs even compared to many other hard drugs like cocaine. And yet they are used and abused in massive numbers (in the US alone, alcohol kills 100,000 people annually and tobacco kills 500,000 people annually). Both are toxic to health, especially when used everyday (though limited amounts of alcohol is good for your heart).

Then there are the safe soft drugs, the ones if more people used them society would be a better place. I'm referring to the natural pot and natural shrooms of course fo sho. Imagine if the world, let alone the US.....replaced tobacco smoking with pot smoking. Instead of smoking tobacco to keep up at work, parties, hanging out in the middle of the street, or whatever......people smoking up-lifting, awake, and alert sativa strains of cannabis.....just imagine how much more fun life would be and how less violent society would be. And if people relaxed on the weekend with some shrooms instead of alcohol, and perhaps learn something about their inner self. Much more murders that's for sure, especially considering that 60% or more of all murders are done under the influence of alcohol. Shrooms is obviously a much more peaceful lifeform to take.....it takes too much effort to get violent with people. And shrooms seems perfect for parties and concerts in doses not more than an eigth.....of course if the user ingests a quarter he can espect a shamanic journey. Not to mention that the shrooms body high beats the one by them boos any day, in addition to being less nauseous than liquor. And you can't really take shrooms more than a week due to tolerance issues, so addiction is basically non-existent. And unlike boos, shrooms ain't neurotoxic.

Of course not everyone reacts with happiness on shrooms......but for me personally I can't stop giggling and things are just too euphoric. Even compared to acid.....because sometimes acid can be too analytical (though it can be equally euphoric).

Some folks don't enjoy pot but I think if it were more widely used like the stimulants caffeine and tobacco that more people would be able to handle the headspace. And you can work and be functional with a good sativa, no matter what anyone says. Indicas are more better to relax, eat, fuck, and sleep. Either way pot is good for your brain, and it is neuroprotective instead of killing braincells like with tobacco smoking.

What do you think? Would you prefer if somehow the soft drugs pot and shrooms replaced the hard drugs tobacco and alcohol? Or do you like the set-up how it is with alcohol and tobacco being the dominate drugs?

 

"Pot and Shrooms replacing Alcohol and Tobacco as the dominate psychoactives?"

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Poll Question: "Pot and Shrooms replacing Alcohol and Tobacco as the dominate psychoactives?"

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I dont drink very often. All it does is fuck you up. I like trippin haha. Its good at partys tho, although Im not very into the get drunk and hookup thing. Cigarettes are nice to bum off peoples but I dont ever buy them. Thats my rule. Other wise id smoke wayy too many haha

I fucking love beer tho. Just not getting drunk off it. Weed is so much better in every way

 

This could lead to a whole new basket of problems for society but at the same time... I see it a being a lot better and brighter.... a lot less broken homes... and murders... and beaten children... and all the violent hateful things that come from those pack a day drunk fuckers that beat there kids....

 

I think a possible "problem" might be increased social anxiety, as pot can do with some people......on the other hand if it were more widely used people wouldn't be so picky about using it around others. In fact it's easier to be more open with people on weed, and if used as much as tobacco (making it legal too) it would easily replace it as a superior alternative.

With mushrooms I guess there can be worry of increased reports of bad trips due to increase in use......but with knowledge of the mushrooms being more widely available and with less people taking risks with shrooms than with liquor, things shouldn't get to scary for bad trippers. In any case the social dose of shrooms is easier to handle and arguably less intoxicating than many other psychoactives!

 

Totally agree! The intoxication toll that alcohol has on your nervous system, tactile functions, and motor skills in comparison... I personally would say that while in a shroom trip my attention to detail and motor skills were heightened.

 

Mind expanding drugs have so much more value to humanity than drugs that just fuck you up like alcohol. Alcohol has no mind expanding qualities and is pretty bad for the body. Tobacco doesn't have to many effects and is one the leading cancer causing drugs out there. Drugs such as psilocybin mushrooms, lsd, and dmt can be very spiritual and cause cause religious experiences.

 

It wouldn't be very profitable.
So many people are addicted to alcohol and tobacco; whereas you wouldn't get this with psilocybin and marijuana; so instantly there'd be a decrease in demand and an irregularity in custom.
They are not physically addictive substances, unlike tobacco and alcohol. Companies might not make the money they expect to make as people probably wouldn't continue buying on a regular basis.
Also, alcohol decreseases fully functional/productive thought - a drunk is less likely to notice what's going on around him. The same can not be said for marijuana and mushrooms. Instead of escaping 'reality' (current life/social circumstances), I find they give more of an insight as to WHY something does what it does; and help you to look further into situations; whether you focus on external stimuli or journey into the mechanisms of the mind/re-evaluate past experiences in sessions of positive introspection; and I, for one, would imagine this would be potentially dangerous to societies and governments.
Psychedelics help you to appreciate. They help to strip you of the ego which is so necessary to get by in a modern society; and they take away perceptions regarding the value of money and posessions. They help you get in touch with your spiritual side, and unlock a whole sea of information which is not usually available; and above all - they really can assist in learning and CREATIVITY.
They wouldn't want us getting hooked on THAT now, would they?

 

nah dude the 2 that you should do is shrooms and alcohol. this is what i do.

 

it wont replace it any time soon. heres my quick take:

pros: a dorm party with everyone on shrooms would probably kick alcohols butt
cons: ifa ll drunk/drinking people were on shrooms, the world would become way to wierd

 

there is no such thing as a safe soft drug
they all can be harmful in some way
it doesnt matter what you use just as long as you do so responsibly

 

Lol, the irony of 'using' alcohol responsibly. It's purpose is to mess you up; leave you unco-ordinated, unintelligible, irresponsible. I guess the responsible way to handle alcohol is allow yourself no more than one beer every 1.5 hours.. hmmm; anyone that likes a drink (and, inevitably, the feeling of alcohol in the system) is not drinking responsibly.

 

No thanks. I would much rather binge on alcohol and ciggs then trip on mushrooms and smoke pot all day....

But of course we have the people who say natural things that grow out of the ground aren't drugs. God I can't stand those type of druggies.

"Oh I smoke pot, it grows from the ground, it's safe."

Ugh, even that sentence makes me disgusted. As if they are better then people who use synthetic drugs.

 

Come again.

 

Did you not understand that? I am saying that just because you do "natural" drugs, it doesn't make you a better person.

I can't stand people who say shit like "ew dude, you take pills? Fuck that man, ur fucking urself up, I only smoke weed cuz its safe man"

If you choose to use something that alters your state of mind, it doesn't matter what you are using. You aren't any better then the next guy.

Sure, pot might be safer then tobacco, but in the end you are still inhaling smoke into your lungs. Sure mushrooms are safer then alcohol, but you are still doing them to get fucked up. Not to mention, if you pick the wrong type of shrooms, you could easily end up in the hospital.

My point is that every drug has it's upsides, and it's downsides...and nobody is better then me because they only do natural things. That is complete stuck-up high school girl bullshit.

What is wrong with using alcohol responsibly? How do you figure it isn't possible? Not every person who drinks alcohol drinks to get completely smashed. Maybe in high school?

The purpose of alcohol is to make you uncoordinated, unintelligble, and irresponsible? Wow! I didn't know that you knew the reason that every singe person drinks alcohol! Just because that happens to a lot of people after drinking, doesn't mean it's the REASON people drink. There are tons of reasons. I personally drink to get over my social anxiety.

So what is the REASON people smoke pot? Based on your theory, I can take the most stereotypical effect of pot, and say that is the reason. People smoke it to laugh at something that isn't funny, eat food, and get lazy.

I am fairly certain you won't see the connection between what you said and what I said, because obviously you are close-minded and have your mind made about about WHY people use alcohol, but maybe one day you can see I can make the EXACT same assumptions about smoking pot, just because I don't like it. It's easy to hate on something you don't like. It's not easy to hear an explanation about why people drink alcohol is no worse then the reason people smoke pot, for you anyway.

Didn't think this was going to be the forum that people were going to be THAT close minded, but I guess hippies love their pot, and alcohol is the devil, no matter what the reason it's consumed for.

 

buuuuuuut there we have it don't we?!.. I didn't claim to posess the knowledge of WHY 'every singe person' drinks, did I?
I'm far from close minded and gave a brief analysis of what alcohol does to the consumer.
Of course people use it for whatever reasons/personal issues they have - and I didn't try and say otherwise. I only gave a shot at identifying the underlying truth of alcohol intoxication.. which is> yes, it does mess you up! Face it or not, I couldn't care less. I don't drink and would never use it to block out issues that eventually needed facing.
If you're drinking to avoid dealing with problems though, then OF COURSE you're drinking irresponsibly!! Just because it feels better doesn't make it right.
I'm not one of the people you speak of when you spoke of those who claim to smoke pot as it's 'safe'. If you get stuck in a rut with ANY psychoactive drug, then you stand to grow a psychological dependency on it; and giving yourself to a substance before prioritising can turn you inwards; eventually making you socially depraved and turning you into a skeletal wreck of man, corrupt through the bones. Too many fried breakfasts aren't 'safe'. Drinking regularly isn't 'safe'. Smoking tobacco certainly isn't safe. Taking LSD and then getting behind the wheel isn't safe. Unprotected sex isn't safe. There's a lot of unsafe things in the world; although I ask - what context are you using the word safe in?! Let's disregard mental effects (temp/perm) of both alcohol and pot for a second and focus solely on the death rate per annum. for each. Now, we're talking PHYSICALLY; and it is widely documented/understood and therefore unnecessary for me to elaborate as I'm sure you're perfectly aware of where I'm coming from.
I'll tell you what's not safe in the cannabis world. Evil crimelords from countries in Europe (and people in Britain) spraying their green for profit with chemicals and substances which should never be smoked; purely added to add weight to boost profits. I'm sure we'll see a decrease in people thinking that cannabis is safe; as at the moment (with contaminators thriving all over the show), pot smoking is rapidly becoming a VERY dangerous game.

P.S. I'm straight edge so bah humbug to your ill-conceived accusations.

 

So either I deal with social anxiety with anxiety medications, or with alcohol, why judge my method? I don't use it to block out anything, I use it to open up and be comfortable around large groups of people, I guess thats irresponsible.

You said: It's purpose is to mess you up; leave you unco-ordinated, unintelligible, irresponsible.

Then you say: I'm far from close minded and gave a brief analysis of what alcohol does to the consumer.

So yes, you did state in a way, why people drink, by stating you know the purpose of it.

.

 

Well reading your response I feel I said something in a way which, now reading through your response, could be taken the wrong way; and I wasn't intending for it to be taken that way. I suppose yes I did in a way state an assumption on why people drink; but of course I understand people use it in whatever way it benefits them; purely as I am of the understanding that everybody's reactions to pretty much anything is individual. I'm merely speaking about the health issues that run alongside it, which outweighs any benefit it can temporarily induce, in my eyes. I enjoy a drink.. but when in the right frame of mind. That's just when I prefer to drink. My personal reaction to drinking in a shit mood is getting deeper into that hole rather than forgetting it was there; but that's me. I'm not judging you for drinking it whatever way you drink. It's none of my concern. Sorry for the crossed wires.

 

lsd is synthetic, and probably just as safe as marijuana. with both, you need (estimated) at least 100 doses to begin having problems (not considering hallucinations/bad trip obviously)