LSD as a weapon

call me crazy, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that killing happens in numbers we can't even imagine every single hour, and that it's not a good or evil, but simply a necessity. How can we have birth and not death? Yes, I realize that we don't need someone to kill us in order to die, but thinking that everyone is going to get a fairy tale ending of dying peacefully in their sleep at the ripe old age of 80 just isn't natural, in my eyes.

As humans, our species has so completely conquered this planet and all other species living here, that we can prosper dramatically. It seems like the only thing that can keep our population in check is.....well, ourselves.
So yes, war and killing may cause a lot of suffereing and sadness, but that's just part of the cycle of things. you can't erase it from the world.

All I'm saying is, we live all inside a giant equation. You think people who kill are crazy, people think people who do acid are crazy. It's all part of a huge grand scheme, the inner workings of which we can never hope to understand. It's duality at it's finest, and it will always remain balanced, so as long as you can find happiness and joy here, be sure that there is sorrow and despair somewhere else.

The key is not to try to eliminate one or the other, but rather to realize that they are both the same thing.

 

LSD would be a great weapon, I dont know why people are arguing about that..

 

Well that is all true. But I'm not thinking from an overall point of view here. I'm thinking from the perspective of sitting in my house, with someone marching towards me and I have to choose to die, pick up a gun, or work a large dosage of LSD into the equation somehow.

And my belief in karma tells me, don't pick up the gun. I don't know if I'm willing to just lay down dead right now either.

I do not have the intuition that my body can sit in harmony forever, unscathed, with the turmoil thats brewing in the industrialized world right now. Taoism is not going to smoothly transition into the future. I feel like at some point I am going to have to respond to something, something is going to occur in some way, and I will have to make a decision about defense. From a karmic point of view, using LSD as a means of defense seems the only proper thing. It's the only thing I could do where I could honestly say, thats what I would want someone else to do to me. If I was marching on someone to kill them, I could not say I'd want them to shoot me. However I could say, I would want them to dose whatever ego trip I was on right out of me, right there on the spot and then teach me something about cooperation.

 

If you agree with me. Take this argument to another forum, help me spread the meme.

 

From the karmic point of view, which do you think matters more, the act itself, or the intention behind the act?

 

well... theres only intention
acts are nothing more than automated secondary responses to intention

 

so why from a karmic point of view, would the intention of doing nothing but defending yourself be a problem? I'd also add that since we are only speaking of intentions of defense, and acts are just secondary responses, that dosing someone with acid is still an intention of defense.

 

its an intention of defense without killing

 

War initially starts as a wish to better a country or a race. They want more land, they want more money...they attempt to gain what they want (or need) by challenging rival countries. We're no better than wilderbeest, we're on exactly the same plane as animals. It's instinct, it's millions of years of instinct bred into us over generations. Nothing will erase that. We will always want the best for our 'herd', there will always be a fight for survival. It's primal, animalistic instinct. You can't beat instincts with drugs, nor with tactics nor bribery. Everything in your life is a competition, to strive for the best for yourself and your offspring - on every level, from personal to regional to national to international. It's both pointless and misguided to try and prevent something which will always happen. This is why we are alive and why we continue to live.

 

I am a firm believer that LSD can be efficiently used to ruin someone. Depending on the person of course, but it could show that person things he may not want to see nor be able to comprehend. If it doesn't go one way it will definitely go the other - a positive outcome with redefined World perceptions.. that's if they don't curl up into a ball for 12 hours and suffer the emotional aftermath of getting kicked up the arse by the psychedelic donkey.

 

well, I think metaphorically you are definatly killing on some sort of level. If you were to dose someone, a transformation would definatly take place. Whether that is a good or bad thing, I don't know.

 

I agree with what you say to the point "we can't beat instincts with drugs". Like i said, yes i agree that we all act based on millions of years instinctual conditioning. Its simply how evolution works and how we make decisions about the world. But that little voice in our heads, those millions of years of biological survival, is it really us? I don't think so, it is the rules and regulations that have been imprinted on us so well that we mistakenly believe it to be ourselves. "The biggest con the ego ever pulled was making you believe he was you" (from the movie Revolver). However, i think it is possible to be rid of these instincts/ego/archetype/whatever both with and without drugs. I know that i have had moments in my life without the ego, where i was simply consciousness floating without the rules and boundaries of regular life and instinctual thinking. And whether i was on drugs or not, i can say that these were the most pure moments i have ever had, the most content and unfiltered. I think that when people become "enlightened", they reach this state more permanently. Anyway im rambling so i guess my point is that the majority of us might be blindly listening to our egos/instincts/brains and that that might be the cause for all of our wars and violence. But we have reached the epitome of physical evolution and have taken over our planet, time to let go of that and work on our consciousness, both individually and globally. Leave the physical world for the next young species to conquer.

OK back to the thread topic: LSD as a weapon? I don't know really. I just think it would be cruel to throw acid at an army of people ready to kill. Wouldn't they just all trip extremely badly? Wouldn't at leas a few of them not be able to handle it and freak and begin killing madly, thereby causing as much destruction as would happen if the battle was left alone. I know if i was on acid and everyone around me was killing each other i would freak. I just don't know if it would work. But if it worked (if it would stop people from killing and force them to lose ego and instinct) i see nothing wrong with it.

 

That is a self-fullfilling prophecy.

People can cooperate and understand. If two groups of people can communicate, speak to each other and understand. Rather than killing they will work together, that is the natural instinct of humans. We used to have such a radical problem in the past with waring tribes and nations because, quite literally that was the only way they could interact. The other tribe or nation made no sense to them other then "they are taking up my land". Today though, we have merged cultural understanding more and more, developed more common grounds of communication because of the internet. I mean think about how absurd the prospect is today that we would go to war with Japan. This just seems absurd to me, Japan no longer feels like this 'weird foreign country with all these scary rituals threatening our normal Christian way', but rather it feels like a neighbor that we now have an interest and understanding in their way of life through mixing of our media and culture in subtle ways. Why? Because Japan exports to us and Japan has an incredible web presence. Take this to Iraq, we can still see ourselves going to war with Iraq, why? Because Iraq is some dirty sand country with a bunch of Muslims, they have not managed to enter the global communication and present themselves in a way that is comprehensible to all, so we naturally see them with a weary set of eyes.

No matter how you juggle this debate, the fact remains, if you understand every single thing another person was doing and why they were doing, you would be doing it to. If you were in that other persons exact same body, exact same brain, exact same everything, you would be doing the same exact thing as them. People believe in what they do, and people only want good. People fight because one group cannot understand the others idea of 'good', if two groups have the same idea of 'good' they will work together to achieve. That is human instinct, that is animal instinct. By this, war is nothing but lack of ability to communicate, and that is changing a little bit every day.

The simple truth is, the philosophy you present there based on the past of human historical interactions does not take into account the fact that the internet now exists and people are communicating and understanding each other at a rate that was unprecedented before by many many folds. We are not living in the same monkey-ego nations that we were just 50 years ago. The internet has changed that, it is changing that, is creating a common understanding and respect of each other which will result in cooperation. And people who do not recognize this, it is because they still have left over bits and pieces of their old monkey-ego nation instincts left in them, and today we have to the technology to dissolve that out of their brain. It is no coincidence that LSD was given to us at this point in time, people need to utilize it. It is possible to push a unified understanding of 'what is good' into the consciousness of all humanity.

 

Using LSD in an attempt to brainwash people, as the CIA initially tried, would be using it as a weapon. What the poster is suggesting sounds entirely different to me. Maybe he still gets killed, after all, but maybe not. It could be looked at requesting divine intervention. Who knows how the Spirit or spirits or whatever will react.

I mean if reality is the game of God/s and spirits, such a course of action could effectively strengthen His/their involvement in the confrontation. If one truly believes acid to be a divine substance, using it in this situation could be argued a morally sound judgment. Dosing someone is certainly a lot kinder than killing them I think.

 

not sure if many people will understand what happens to them if they are being drugged up with acid. mass psychosis already bad if it makes people turn sheep, see what happens. don't wanna know what happens if it it will turn society to anarchy by stupidity.

i don't think you should forget the importance of free choice of usage of such substances. as far as i know there are many people who back out after using these kinds of drugs, possible conclusions:
they started to enter deeper states of altered consiousness, they didn't udnerstand it and they didn't like it

they started to enter deeper states altered consiousness, they understoond it and didn't like it

the psychedelic experience is highly personal and your interest in it already says a lot about it, just as the total denial of any possible positive consequences of such drug usage says a lot about those more in favor of such opinions. atm any kind of shamanic culture is underground and probably is better of that way to prevent witchhunts from happening, i guess it is not unlikely to happen in some places. since this kind of mindset is very challenging for mainstream society and attack(it really wpould be seen as an ATTACK) from this corner would do more harm than good for the psychedelic community. i don't say you shouldn't be active in fighting for your rights and your worldview, i just say be smart plz

 

Didn't the mass druggings by the government and the invention of LSD start the hippy generation in the first place? So wouldn't annother mass drugging like that create annother generation of free thinkers? The only problem is making sure that someone
doesn't take charge and start a cult or brain wash the population when their tripping.
The best thing I can think of is hope the swat team keeps the croud calm. If that happens those people will hate the government and restore the ballence of power.

 

To the subject of violence and killing beign a part of nature, this is true when you look at bacteria, when there is nothing better to do they kill each other, they feed on themselves, this is basically what we as humans do every day as well. Instincts of humans or any other animal is not power for the most part, it is food, survival(sex) and warmth. We in America at least have to fight and kill because the so-called founders of this land killed off all the natural food that roamed the land, buffalo being a main one for the Indian people, then they brought sickness and so-called cures for these sicknesses, and the population grew so we had to farm food, and wait for seasons, which is retarded as fuck yes, and no tonly that the government likes to control what little food there is and charge a fucking arm and a leg, and people blame drugs. If anything LSD would definitely be a good move as far as defense goes, but not only in random fodder but directed at the people who love war, these people need a better fuckin view, and you could go ahead and dose me if my brain decides this guy running up on me is gonna get it as good as he wants to give it, cause anger only begets more anger, its a fact, a mutherfucker aint gonna keep gettign mad at you if you are giving him peace signs, if he does, stab him and dose him at the same time and let him die in Gods arms.. forreal.

To solve this world wide malfuntion we simply need to destroy money, breed animals as one whole unit, this is one planet, and we are humans, we do not need to take things from each other, none of it is really ours. Just like I knew not to call the dog I went and got for 200 bucks mine, because he has his own life and when he got a wiff of excitement I knew he would run away and I had no problem with that, it isn't a loss if you don't cling to it, I will not lose my soul when I die, because I know I am my soul, my soul is me, and this daily shit we go through is not my battle, because no matter what I say, an ignorant moe isn't gonna listen because he wants to take with him his victories, when for fucks sake he has been living in a purely divine win since before his first breath.

But I meant to say that cooexistance is possible, it takes a lot of people knowing what they are trying to say and a lot of people with the patience to wait their turn to express their shit as well, it is quite simple, but until we stop believing shit the tv says and our pastor and our mommy says and our dollar says then we are going to be in this mess we made, and I personally don't give two shits how it happens as long as it happens, I will be the first to drop my job, back pack my way to a meeting and we can all talk this shit out, acid or no acid.

 

Well I think that's a little to far besids money is not the root of all evil the love of money is. Still the hope is that the government will be changed by the LSD deprogramming the very people the government programmed in the first place.

 

thought is what gets us caught, do dat shit

 

Remember do to others as you would want them to do to you. I personaly would
rather be dosed unwillingly with pot than LSD.