Pot, Shrooms, Ayahuasca, DMT, and Spirituality

I was always quite into religion when I was younger, but more of the experiential parts of it. I was raised as a christian but I never got much into it because Christianity these days seems to be nothing but empty worshiping, groveling, and obedience to some lame autocratic dictator like Yahweh or his so called son Jesus. I became more universalist during the beginning stages of high school and finally an atheist by my senior year in high school. I think pot really helped in this area, but I was always interested in eastern spirituality (hinduism, buddhism, daoism, ect.) and shamanism none the less.

And really the conclusion that I eventually came to was that yeah spirituality is mainly about experience. If there is no overwhelming experiences associated with spirituality what is the point? Otherwise it is limiting. The goal of (non-western/abrahamic) spirituality in my opinion was summed up perfectly by Timothy Leary......to get high. To have religious and spiritual extacy.

Meditation is a form of getting high in many ways, and I find for example the state of consciousness found in pot seems very similar to the state of consciousness found in breathing-zazen (sound starting to resemble just music or noises of music).

And of course there is shrooms....and on a committed dose (5g+) in silent darkness (or better in a isolation tank) will propel you into visionary states described by the mystics of the hindu sadhus, daoist mystics, and zen buddhist monks.....as well as the original american shamans. Meditating on shrooms is very effective.

DMT, a close relative to mushrooms (the shroom chemical being O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) may play a more fundamental role in spiritual visions and dreams of course. Whether in ayahuasca, high dose mushrooms, yopo snuffs, or in the most instense form.....pure smoked dmt.........this chemical should be the doorway to the soul. You have your ego.....supported quite a bit on serotonin. This is your normal state of consicousness....characterized by a little of beta and little alpha. Then you have the soul.....the dreamier states of consciousness like those found with pot and zazen meditation (mainly alpha and theta). Or there is the shattering state of mystical enlightenment with the universe produced by high dose shroom, ayahuasca, acid, and a smoked dose of DMT (mainly theta and delta).

Oh yeah and you can't forget lsd.....although acid seems to be less similar to the other trypamines like dimethyltryptamine, it being close to 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonin). Shamanic drumming on a high dose of shrooms or acid will bring you closer to ego death.

DMT is produced in the human body and may play a role in dreaming and near death experiences as well.

Check out this video by Terrance Mckenna on DMT;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bFgon_33w

Vote in the poll and discuss.

 

I need to meditate on Acid or mushrooms, but currently im just about broke, what with Christmas coming up. I've never gone into a very intense trance, but I know when I meditate for 30 mins+ and work very hard at it, it's a lot like being high on dope. I remember once, After about 40 minutes of opening my Core chakra alone, i had an OBE. (Out of Body Experience).

Also, OP you seem a lot like me
I'm in the tenth grade atm, but I was brough up Christian, and got tired of the 'Repent, Pray, Give, Repent, Pray, Give" routine, plus I didn't buy it either. I was an atheist for a while, but then got interested in Buddhism, then Taoism, then Shamanism, and now Wicca and Paganism.

 

pot and acid have helped me immensely with my spiritual journey... pot helped me learn to relax properly, and acid gave me a glimpse of realities infinite nature. meditating on acid was quite profound, i got complete insight into my unconscious process of rationalizing, i witnessed my mind convincing me of things to keep my ego intact. also i started exploring closed eyed fractal patterns, and different patterns seemed to represent different mental planes. Now its like i can continue things i started on my trips through sober meditation, and i can now reach a feeling of high clarity akin to my acid afterglows in less then a minute.

for me its like pot reveals my flaws to me, but i have to put in the effort myself to fix them. acid forces me to realize things whether i like it or not, but the challenge is to integrate the realizations into a form i can function with while sober. drugs can definitely
help the spiritual path, but could hurt if used irresponsibly.

 

I voted the last one. The drugs and the alcohol only weak the brain, they do not strengthen it. Unless you measure delusion as spirituality… And I have smoked a fair sum hash in my days, and have experiment with mushrooms and LSD in Amsterdam.

 

It doesn't look like you knew what to do, lol. Alcohol kills braincells, ganja is neuroprotective. No neuro-toxicity has been reported with psychedelics.....so most likely you were too paranoid when you took them and had bad trips .

I'm curious.....what form of spirituality do you adhere to?

 

No, this was a good trip. I just don'?t sees nothing spiritual for intoxication. I see, well, intoxication. I am Jewish, but don'?t need support from a book in order to guides my life. I have a certain type of animistic belief, in a extent.

 

Mean that I took the wrong drugs? this is strange you would say that, as your examination of enthogens that I have took is all "spiritual". Never drank alvohol. Unless I am misapprehension you. English isn't my mother language.

 

Like most everything we utilize in a similar fashion to pot, lsd etc...they are simply a tool, nothing more, nothing less. It depends on how we go about using them. I try to achieve not necessarily a "higher" state of mind, but an enhanced train of thought, in which I focus more intently (not so much clearly) on whatever it is I am trying to comprehend. So, yes they have all had an impact on my life, mainly due to their ability to tear down biases that we hold, allowing for new thought to flow more freely. However, I do believe I could have reached the same mental state I am currently at without their use...it would just have been much more difficult, because my surroundings naturally dictated otherwise (raised Catholic).

Basically yes, they have the ability to aid in the developmental stages of spirituality, but I personally feel that a mind state induced by too high a concentration of any single substance should not be maintained for an extended period of time. One should allow for their mind without the influence of any substance to inquire as to what they have experienced while under the influence, in order to gain true knowledge.

(They essentially act as a catalyst)

 

it's different for everyone, but I know that I have had great, lasting realizations on mushroom trips, and I know a lot of other people have too. not to mention feeling a stronger connection with that greater something.

however, I have met a fair few people who have done psychedelics and when I've asked, for example, what their greatest realization has been, they have no idea what I'm talking about. they just enjoy the high, which is fair enough, and I assume that is true for Eliyahu as well.

bthizle said it better than I could, I agree completely.