Hipforums Election 2004

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I'll vote for a third party candidate in another election. Can you imagine an "Anyone but McCain" campaign? Besides, if we can float the threat of McCain running in the next election, Kerry is sure to consider election reform and other issues much more thoroughly than before

 

Im actually quite impressed with the Peace and Freedom Party (of California) platform. Of course its unlikely the presidential nominee, Leonard Peltier (Kansas), would stand a chance as he is currently still serving a sentence for supposedly aiding and abetting the killing of two FBI agents, but as platforms go, it squares with my sentiments against the corporate run status quo we have for too long suffered under.

http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/Platform.htm

Not being from California, I was actually surprised to find a party representing so many progressive views.

 

Interesting. I had not even heard of this party. I guess you learn something new every day! Thanks for the link.

 

I hadnt either until i put some of the names from the list above into google and stumbled across a site that mentioned a number of lesser known parties.

 

The peace and freedom party is a lunatic fringe socialist party (actually a redundant statement) which says "We support social ownership... of industry and natural resources... [with] production... planned to meet human needs". State ownership of industry, state planning, sound familiar anyone?

It promises the typical socialist utopian nonsense, including (I am not making this up) "a 30-hour work week for 40 hours' pay". And maybe in their second term we could work 20 and get 50? Also "No U.S. intervention anywhere." Hello Milosovic, too bad these guys didn't get elected instead of Clinton! Hello Sudan, there may be hope for the janjaweed yet!

You might not see the sense in all this, but your children would, because they'd be taught "the history of workers' struggles".

 

social ownership can interpreted as public ownership as well as state ownership. I personally agree, regardless of your blathering, that the nation's natural resources are the asset of all its citizenry, not merely the "for profit" domain of elite corporate plundering.

Hardly surprising that a died in the wool corporate monkey like yourself (and do tell us all what your reference to "buy lo sell hi" in the occupation line of your profile means if not some form of market trader or investment banking) would rail against any aspect of the biosphere remaining the common ownership of the people.

Sell your BS elsewhere (and spare us your crocodile tears for the plight of the world) as requested many times previously. Everything you spout can be just as easily obtained from any number of mainstream corporate owned media sources. You truly contribute nothing of value or substance to these forums.

 

Lick,

Do you even know what it means to debate issues instead of smearing people who disagree with you?

I for one would like you to explain how "public" ownership would differ from "state" ownership.

 

I dont vote, but if i had to it would be for Kerry.

 

I don't disclose personal details here. My posts speak for themselves, there is no need for you to judge me on any other basis.

 

Huck, I give back the smear that right wing assholes like yourself, bandit and pointbreak regularly give to posters here. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

as for the difference bewteen "state ownership" and "public ownership" the difference lies in those to whom the dividends and oversight belong. As the state has shown itself increasingly unaccountable to the public, the legitimate alternative would quite reasonably and logically (if you ever bothered to apply some thought to matters before posting your routine contentious and confrontational rubbish) be through local or regional NGOs or some form of public collectives responsible for purchases and sales for local consumption.

Again, why would you defend the right of gluttonous self serving corporate conglomerates to turn every last resource of our biosphere into commodities solely for the profit of an elite few when these elements are the very foundation of our shared existence and ongoing development?

Until you head in sand types wake up and realise that we have entered the downward cycle of "Peak Oil" production and the inevitable exhaustion of fossil fuels, the battle for responsible conservation of our reamining resources and the efforts to establish a progressive reinvestment of the proceeds of our national resources into viable alternative energy production remains a steep uphill effort.

Given how brainwashed our nation is with self-justified overconsumption, i certainly dont hold out a great deal of hope that the battle will be won before the stark reality of a world without our long accustomed creature comforts comes to an end. But at least our children or our children's children can look back to see who they have to thank for endorsing the corporate status quo that left them to inherit a bankrupt world.

Ill gladly subscribe to a more humanocentric and conservationist "fringe socialist" (to coin PB's warped assessment) platform that seeks to take back what the elite have for too long plundered.

You choose your own path.

 

Lick,

At the risk of being "contentious and confrontational" (unlike your latest frothing rant?) I must ask how you envision these local/regional/NGO/collectives functioning. How would they be accountable to the public? How much power would they have? How would they be funded? How would their decisions be made and enforced? Are there any examples you could point to?

 

Hey! I don't see Palpatine/Vader in the poll. Eh, I guess I'll have to vote Bush the Dumber/Cheney the Dick, it's the next best thing.

 

Vote MaxPower/MaxPower '04

 

One thing that you must admit is that the U.S. has a small average number of days of vacation when compared to other countries in Europe. I don't advocate for 30 hrs of work for 40 hrs worth of pay (let alone 20 for 50), but more should be done to raise the level of pay and providing of benefits for those jobs held by the working poor.

I would also suggest that having a foreign policy that depends more understanding of other views and less on invading countries and blowing things up would help.

What do you mean by your signature "Get your war on!"?

 

This is a pretty dam biased poll, it's like pollin in a pentecostal church.

 

I agree with protecting the environment, it shouldn't be used for profit, especially for a few elites.
Other than that, their platform is unrealistic and unfair.
I like the 30 hr. work week, but not the 40 hr. pay. Let's be reasonable, you have to earn what you get in this world.

 

Kerry wins. YAY!!!!

Isn't Teresa Gutierrez a new anchor in Chicago?

 

Well, its a pretty accurate reflection of what people at HipForums think, which is presumably the point.

That's true, I think it should be raised.

Follow the link: http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html

 

First time I went to that link, PB...It is pretty damn funny