Explain to me why so many people are upset about the government feeding,and housing poor people who need the help,and noboby ever says a thing about the billions of tax dollars that go to the space program. You are upset because a family that is down on their luck is fed,but you don't care that we are wasting billions of dollars so that a robot can roll around on Mars? You racist amaze me. You people are the same one's who voted for McCain,not because he was the best canidate,our that his policies would help you,but because you thought that if Obama was elected he would help out black people. Don't you realize that McCain's policies would have helped only about 5% of the people in this country. If you'r going to be a racist,stand up and be a proud racist. Stop your double talk and say what we already know you mean. But you guys are now the minority. The election proved that america is ready to move foward. If your not,move to the south where they still fly their confederate flags and call people from up north yankees. :beatdeadhorse5:
Ok, since you asked so politely, I will be the first to speak up on this thread. WHY OBAMA WON. In the 60's and 70's, parents were not afraid to discipline their children with belts or whatever else. These kids were better for it as they grew up tougher and were not afraid to take a beating. But then in the 80's, things changed. Parents were no longer using methods of violence to discipline their children, and in the long run, these children would suffer from that because since they never took a beating, they were afraid to do so in later years. Instead of fighting, they would rather pick up a gun and shoot someone so that they wouldnt have to take a beating. Now, when in school or elsewhere, they had to be around or even confront the more violent black people. Many tried to fit in with them so they could avoid confrontation. They did this by picking up on the black lingo, talking like them, even in many cases walking like them. And in some cases, even joining gangs to side with them for sure, or, forming their own gangs to have strength in numbers. This was the start of the "whigger". As time has gone forward, we have seen increasing numbers of all this, and why? Because parents grew afraid of disciplining their children. These children of the 80's and 90's are the reason why the first black president was elected now. It was the children of the 80's and 90's who gave him the most votes, because they have become tolerant of the black man's ways and in many cases have even emulated them. McCain won the majority of the vote in white's 30 and over. Only white's age 18-29 voted more in favor for Obama(see above reason). Obama cleaned up on the black vote(95 percent) and on the Latino vote (75 percent), showing that race had a big decision in this election, just not in the traditonal way, but in a reverse role, as the minority vote and the 18-29 vote amongst whites gave the black man the presidency. >>>>>>>>>> " (CNN) -- Strong support from young and minority voters propelled Barack Obama on the road to the White House, exit polls showed Tuesday. Voters in the 18 to 24 age group broke 68 percent for Obama to 30 percent for John McCain, according to the exit polling. Those in the 25 to 29 age bracket went 69 percent to 29 percent in Obama's favor. "
wow... that is the most ridiculous conclusion i have ever heard. i was punished physically as a kid and went to a military academy and was verbally attacked and threatened by my professors. my girlfriend is in the same boat... and we voted for Obama out of respect for his philosophy and ideals on our REALITY. and also, i'm sure black parents abuse their kids more so than white parents ... and also... black culture is the only culture we have in the country because their is not such thing as a white culture. so the new generation is looking for some type of creative expression in society, so they look towards the black culture because its popular. This hasn't changed since Jazz came around in the early 20th century. Rock N roll was founded on roots of black slave culture. The reason it is so popular is due to the increase in minority population and a decrease for the white population. furthermore, whites in western society aren't reproducing at rates which will ensure growth. By 2030 you will see Hispanics and African Americans as the majority. it is because of THIS that we have a black president.... if blacks and hispanics are a majority, then guess what, they get to put their candidate in the oval office because they have the majority of votes. its that simple.
NO ONE is upset about "helping out poor people"; however, we would like for the monies we give to actually GO to the poor poeple, not to the "Good Ole Boy" network, and not to someone who thinks poverty is a job, and having MORE children is a good way to get a 'raise.' Obama's promises of Bigger, Better Government lead a lot of those folks to vote for him, while a lot of the people that would be expected to foot that bill voted for McCain/Palin, because Palin has shown that she will fight bigger government and will work to cut spending. Nowhere did i see a plan to cut spending to the various poverty programs we now have, but let me ask you this? If you were willing to help someone out, let them stay at your house, eat your food, share in all the good things you have, wouldn't you, sooner or later, expect that they strive toward standing on their own, moving toward having their OWN house and food and whatever? Or would you be happy just to continue to share, giving more and more as they needed more? We offer free housing, free food, free educational opportunities that include vocational schooling, free transportation, and even throw in some free MONEY for the little extras. Why can't the folks we're helping get a leg up? They can ~ or at least, they could, IF they actually wanted to, and you know what? THEY SHOULD! But many of them don't. They've gotten used to the lifestyle. NOW, since they don't really have all that regular working folks do, they want more and accuse the very people that have been trying to help them for so long of Keeping Them Down. Excuse me? All of those Helpers? THEY'RE the ones being Kept Down, not being able to afford higher education (in Money OR Time) for themselves, and worrying about it for their children. THEY'RE being Kept Down, working overtime for some little extras like life and health insurance for themselves and their children. THAT isn't fair to anyone. And please don't get me wrong ~ i have NO problem with absolutely supporting someone unable to work, for whatever reason (age, disability, etc.). What i DO have a problem with is supporting folks that are fully capable of working, for themselves and their families, who choose to just kick back, then moan and groan about how mean and stingy i am.
Let's see... A space program can't get up off its ass to work for a living. Poor people who are given a free living don't learn, or yearn, to work to support themselves. That's why you have multi-generational welfare families. Now we're "racist"? You dumb motherfuckers who throw "racist" around in meaningless ways amuse me. You're probably among the first to point out that lots of white people receive welfare. Or maybe you were talking about the black racists who condemn all those white welfare recipients -- we don't really know, because your position is so poorly stated. No one said they want no help given to people who are down on their luck. But fuck all of those who pop out five, seven, nine little womb-droppings so that they can get even more from welfare, while they sit around eating cheetos and watching Jerry Springer.
Oh, so you begrudge those people in the south their history and heritage, but I bet it's ok with you for people who move here from Haiti, Jamaica, Mexico, etc. to fly the flags of their foreign countries when they live here permanently. Nice double-standard you got on parade there. (And I love your shitty, eighth-grade grammar. Keep it up!)
why don't you lay off the personal attacks? Picking on someone's grammar never helps. Inevitably, you will post an incorrect noun-verb agreement, use the subject form when you need an object, misspell something, or whatever. And let's point out once and for all that there is a big difference between institutional racism perpetrated against blacks and the casual racism blacks may have against whites. One is a historical sledgehammer that has broken an entire segment of the population, the other is not nearly so ubiquitous or damaging. Yes. It's a double standard. get over it.
Actually, MJ, 'the other' is MORE ubiquitous AND damaging ~ because now, we've got anglo folks that think they are the supreme spokespersons for the Poor, Downtrodden Black folks, who are using reverse-racism, which, amazingly enough, IS STILL RACISM!!! People like you, MJ, who just won't let it go, keep racism alive and well. It's really too bad you can't see that...
yes, right, I'm a secret racist who wants to exploit blacks for political gain. Give me a fucking break. by the way, something is ubiquitous, or isn't. it's not possible for something to have a degree of ubiquity. now, did it really help anyone for me to pick on your usage?
Since you're wrong, only you benefitted. And, YES, you ARE a racist. Time after time, you are the one that jumps on the race bandwagon, and that keeps it right up front, doesn't it? YOU need to let it go, MJ. America elected a black man. The people have spoken. The only racism left is folks like you, who want to keep bringing it up, and insist that anyone that didn't vote for Obama is racist. You are wrong.
Um. Denying that racism exists is like censoring the publication of the Bible. The Bible exists, and so do racism. Trying to curtail the existence of things is known as fascism. I don't understand why there is even a debate over whether racism exists or not. Why then blame someone who acknowledges racist behaviour as being racist themselves? Please refrain from accusing people of things that are not true, Fyrenza.
Oh, no, Ari, i'm not trying to deny that it exists. What i was trying to say was that always bringing that particular issue to the fore is part of the problem that keeps it simmering. i don't know what "color" any of y'all are, and i don't care. Simple as that. And if it truly doesn't make any difference, why bring it up? The people of the United States of America elected a black man to the office of President, effectively putting an end to any accussations of racism. Here in HipForums, even the folks that voted for McCain, did so because of policy issues, NOT because of race issues. So, i'll ask again: Why not just let it go?
denying racism does not make you colorblind. it just makes you blind. we don't think of holocaust deniers as pro-jewish, do we?
...i'm sure black parents abuse their kids more so than white parents... I think you were being sarcastic, but... When my kids were still in school, for a while we attended some parent meetings, and I was rather shocked to find how divided we were by race. On this issue in particular. The black parents were unanimously in agreement on two issues. First, they wanted religion, and in particular, Christianity, taught in public schools. Secondly, they agreed that children who misbehave should be severely beaten with a belt or other weapon that would cause them serious damage. The white parents were unanimously against both of those things. It was a pretty big divide.
was there a socio-economic divide as well? or was it purely along racial lines (e.g. any white parents advocating corporal punishment, etc...) interesting observations. Other than child discipline, I can think of some other cultural differences that hopefully will disappear as whites and blacks become less isolated from each other. For instance, "acting white" may become "acting obama". Breast feeding may become normal. etc...
Well, we were all in the same school district; my own family was well below the median household income but I'm not sure about the others. The moderator tried to work through it, and asserted (I believe she was a psychologist) that the difference is a result of slavery. Black families, she claimed, knew that the master's beating could be fatal, so a lesser beating to keep a child in line was seen as acceptable, and that has continued to some extent in later generations. She challenged the pro-beating parents to break the cycle of violence perpetrated upon them by wealthy whites. The whole thing caught me by surprise!
I think we should be questioning corporate bailouts before we question social welfare republicans welfare for people with yachts
So, because some guy got elected, that means that racism is abolished all of a sudden? What the hell??
yeah, all of the complaints about a black man being elected for being black wasn't racism, because he got elected.
I had to jump in this after the comments the OP made about the south and racism. The Red states down here have been republican for a long time....no wall of a sudden I notice two things. 1. no one ANYWHERE admits to voteing for Obama just because of his race. 2. a lot of people are now calling Red states racist because they did not vote for a Dem who happened to be a black man. we are pretty independent down here and feel we don't need bigger government, we plan to keep our guns, we wanted someone who has some experiance . None of those has anything to do with race. Collin Powell could win some of the south in an election. Obamas church, his ties to " radicals"( not always a bad thing . I'm a hippie but a realistic one) , his wifes comments, his idea that we can just talk to the bad guys and set them straight...all of that scares some people . It's not his race. As for the flags and calling folks from up north yankees. I just got back from New England on a road trip with a black friend of mine from TENN. He hated it up there and talked non stop about " Yankees" its not race its culture. The flag is question is used in ways it should not be...but look at the deeper issues of that war. it was not about slavery.......thats a debate for another post but read up on it some before you decide you know what happened. The issues some southerners had with the north was about the reconstruction more then the war. love and light to you all Mingo
