i know i'm making myself sound like an ass here..and no i'm not referring to anyone specific...especially when considering higher concepts like the 7 planes of shakti (consider me completely oblivious). and i understand i'm using the word eloquent incorrectly..and i'm horrible with examples. someone mentioned once something like traversing heaven and hell within 10 minutes of eternity. i didn't quite understand that. it seems fluffed up to sound good..but doesn't really mean anything to me personally. i hope i'm not pissing anyone off here..i really don't mean to impose any of my opinions on anyone's reality..or even to give them the idea i want them to consider my opinions in their reality. i know some things might be difficult to discuss without personal feelings getting in the way..and the last thing i would want is to throw negativity around at anyone.
If I may make a small judgment, in hopes of being helpful... I think that you just don't get something that these people get. I don't think the writing you're talking about is "fluffed up to sound good". I think you're just not relating to what they're trying to convey. I know a lot of times I'll be talking to people, and taking specific things they say for granted as just words being thrown around. Then later on, maybe a week, maybe a year, whenever it is, something will happen in my life, and their words will suddenly make sense and I'll realize how much depth they held that I just couldn't see.
Jolom, is this an example of the writing style you are referring to? http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=4935905&postcount=14 Also, I think the word you were looking for was, 'grandiloquent.'
hmmm...not so much...see that post got the point across without the effort to build grand visuals in your head. it spoke of some heavy ideas but they were on a level that we can all try to understand. what i refer to is the way people try to go overboard linguistically to sound as if their words have some poetic colorful impact against whatever inspires creativity inside your head. and this isn't a bad thing..it's not bad to want to inspire people with words..or to express your colors. but we're not all scholars and wordsmiths...and often the effort shines through to me and outweighs the impact and causes me to shut off my head because i KNOW that whoever wrote this theoretical piece wrote it with the intent of affecting me that way. it hits me like propoganda..the second i become aware i shut my head off. maybe it's me...and the fact that i hate to do anything i feel i'm being maneuvered towards...as harmless as someone trying to express themselves may be. i know how that sounds too..considering that when someone writes something the first thing it does is maneuver you to imagine what you are reading...so maybe my point is moot. maybe it's me that can't paint the picture. i don't know...i'm starting to rethink my criticisms lately anyway. i'm starting to feel like it's not the things i'm noticing outside of me that are bothering me...i think i bother myself. interesting word by the way...first time i've become aware of it : ) the definition reminds me of the episode of the Black Adder where the man writing a "complete" dictionary comes to town and the black adder starts making up words to anger him. anyway..i did some searching outside of the forums in order to avoid offending any immediate member. here are a couple excerpts from a lsd trip report that i think might serve as examples of what i'm imagining. "The loud music pounded me in an absolutely unbelievable rhythmic and soothing synchronic manner. The speakers a few feet away from me continuously fired beat after beat at me. I could feel the vibrations from the powerful speakers rattle my insides. I sat alone, perched upon a stage next to the dance floor. I was slouched over staring down at the floor watching the little spots of light glide gracefully across the floor. Dolby was taking us to a new reality, a reality where only peace, love, unity, and respect existed. I began to feel at one with everyone. One by one, each person arrived onto the same wavelength. Until everyone was riding the same wavelength. The energy here in this world was so loving, so positive. Perfect synchrony. Dolby chased every last bit of chaos from the real world out of the Warehouse. Chaos was cast out. Chaos did not exist here, it couldn't exist in here. " nothing against raves..i've been to plenty so no disrespect. i feel this example was on the lighter side. i just always feel like when i read someone's descriptive writing that i'm not reading their innate skills but their referencing of skills belonging to writers who have influenced them. i know this sort of thing is unavoidable..but i have a hard time even taking myself seriously when i read over things i've written that come out in this manner. thanks for the new word : )
The beauty and the downfall of language is that we all use language with the intent of affecting someone 'that way' or whatever way. However, often it's not even deliberate or planned. You can hear a person's opinions and beliefs in the tone of their voice and in the tone of their writing - they don't mean to do it, it just happens because their language is a part of them. Also, you read and listen to language with your own beliefs and biases: you may not interpret something how somebody wants you to. We can never really have objective language, with no emotion or connotations - which is kind of crap, because it means things like scientific experiments can never be objective either. What you say about the influence of other writers is true, too, based on the fact that our language is affected by pretty much everything. I know for a certain that while I'm reading a book written in a certain way, I'll think or communicate in that way. I used to read Enid Blyton as a kid and I'd go around saying things were "ever so frightfully good!"...I'm not even British. I hope I haven't been too grandiloquent (haha, that is fun to use) here, but I think it's really a matter of the way that our views and beliefs influence how we communicate and how we interpret communication. I don't think, like someone else said, that you don't 'get' what some people are saying...I just think that the way you interpret people's language leads you to believe that their way of communication isn't genuine, or coming from the heart. It may be, or it may not be. It's all a matter of interpretation.
i thought that was a nice passage i guess it comes down to whether you think they are honestly describing their experience or if they are embellishing and making up for the sake of sounding cool
